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fembuck ([personal profile] fembuck) wrote2009-03-31 11:46 am

A Hollows Post: With 90% more quotes!

So, I’ve come to the conclusion that nobody expresses how I feel better than someone else.  

Therefore, this is a quotes post!

 

IVY

And even for that do I love you the more:
I am your spaniel; and Demetrius,
The more you beat me, I will fawn on you.
Use me but as your spaniel: spurn me, strike me,
Neglect me, lose me: only give me leave,
Unworthy as I am, to follow you.
What worser place can I beg in your love
And yet a place of high respect with me
Than to be used as you use your dog?

-Williams Shakespeare's A Midnight Summer's Dream

Dear Layla,

For nothing more than the pleasures past I would sacrifice my family, my god, and my own existence, and still you will not move. I am at the end of my mind, I cannot go back and there is nothing in tomorrow (save you) that can attract me beyond today. I have listened to the wind, I have watched the dark brooding clouds, I have felt the earth beneath me for a sign, a gesture, but there is only silence. Why do you hesitate, am I a poor lover, am I ugly, am I too weak, too strong, do you know why? If you want me, take me, I am yours . . . 'If you don't want me, please break the spell that binds me. 'To cage a wild animal is a sin, to tame him is divine. 'my love is yours.'

- John Steinbeck


RACHEL

I want someone who will accept the truth about me and doesn't need protection. If I'm a bitch and a fake, is there nobody who will love a bitch and a fake?
- Graham Greene

Answer:  Yes.  Ivy.


RAVY

What I would say to K.H about the Ravy situation at the moment:

Words, words
Merely words
No matter from
The heart
- Troilus and Cressida, William Shakespeare


Why I’m still reading these books despite my frustration:

Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul, and sings the tune without words, and never stops at all.
-Emily Dickinson

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Add some of your own to this post!

[identity profile] lostingeekdom.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't have any quotes in mind, but here's something I read on the drama box today:

"03/31/2009
Hi again Kim, i was wondering why the vamps are so agitated about the elves? I mean the way i understand it the vamps were getting their fangs handed to them before the witches left the ever after so now with the elves there is both more magic to fight the weres with if a war does start and now witches don't have a monopoly on magic. Or are they just greedy bastards? I also have a couple of other questions, The amulet that Alice suggests Rachel should make for Ivy, the hyper alert one that stimulates complex thoughts, could that help Rachel say when a vamp is trying to be-spell her?. Anyway i hate to bring up Rachel and Ivy's relationship and you're probably not likely to talk about it but I'm guessing that there is absolutely going to be no blood between them now and because Rachel isn't good at keeping relationships platonic she couldn't sleep with Ivy without wanting to get bitten right?

3/31/09 -- Vamps want to remain the power in the Hollows, so the elves are a real threat if there population increases. That's it. And that's a good idea with the amulet helping Rachel, too. You've sort of hit Rachel's problem right on the head of the nail. Yup. But at least she's honest with herself. --Kim"


So .. does that mean Rachel wants to sleep with Ivy and isn't doing so because of the blood sharing? I thought until now she didn't want to share blood because she didn't want to sleep with Ivy. I'm confused.

[identity profile] trancer21.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol, if Rachel can't keep her relationships platonic - WHY HASN'T SHE SLEPT WITH CERI, DAMMIT!!

No, you're not confused, the original poster is and totally has Rachel/Ivy's relationship backwards.

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
if Rachel can't keep her relationships platonic - WHY HASN'T SHE SLEPT WITH CERI

Because Ceri is a stable, loving individual with common sense, who isn't afraid of Rachel, and who doesn't assume that she's in a position to make judgments on other people's lives. She is an intelligent, loyal person, who will stand up for the people she cares about even if it is a risk to her own well-being.

I think we all know, that this is not the type of person Rachel is attracted to.

Also, Ceri's a girl, so sex ... with Ceri ... with a girl ... are you from the moon? That doesn't make any sense. She's a girl *hee hee* Girls don't do that *hee hee* Rachel is CLEARLY NOT WIRED THAT WAY! Sure her heartbeat increases when Ivy comes within a meter of her, sure she's had dreams about snuggling in bed with Ivy, and imagined raising a child with her, and I mean, SURE she checks Ivy out all the times and uses words like "delicious" to describe her, but you know ...

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The person in the drama box or whatever it's called, clearly should have said Rachel can't keep her relationships with idiot douche-bags WITH PENIS' platonic.

[identity profile] ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure her heartbeat increases when Ivy comes within a meter5 miles of her,


There you go, I fixed that for you :D

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you, that was a ridiculous oversight on my part. This is what Cock Block has done to my brain. Everything's been turned topsy turvy! *pulls hair*

Seriously though, you're right. I loved how much Rachel was acting like a golden retriever when Ivy was about to come home. "Is Ivy here? *pant pant* Is that Ivy? Ivy! Ivy! *twirls in circles*"

[identity profile] ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously though, you're right. I loved how much Rachel was acting like a golden retriever when Ivy was about to come home. "Is Ivy here? *pant pant* Is that Ivy? Ivy! Ivy! *twirls in circles*"

Oh shit, soda just came down my nose!

[identity profile] runetraverse.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
*dies from the visual* xDD

[identity profile] trancer21.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Rachel is CLEARLY NOT WIRED THAT WAY!

YOU'RE JUST CHANGING THE RULES WHILE THE BALL'S IN PLAY!! FINE, if I can't have Rachel/Ceri you're not gonna stop me from shipping Rachel and Keasley! He's a MAN. He's in a PLATONIC RELATIONSHIP with Rachel! And he's like dangerous and shit which totally makes him RACHEL CANDY! REASLEY 4EVAH!!!

AND WHAT ABOUT JENKS!?! Okay, he's only 4 inches tall and like married with a bajillion kids. But that bitch Matalina, who should have realized Jenks and Rachel's true love by now, is dying anyway. Besides, even if Jenks is only four inches tall, what's to stop Rachel from using him like a vibrator!?! HE'S GOT WINGS!!

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
YOU'RE JUST CHANGING THE RULES WHILE THE BALL'S IN PLAY!! FINE

What can I say? That's how I roll.

f I can't have Rachel/Ceri you're not gonna stop me from shipping Rachel and Keasley! He's a MAN. He's in a PLATONIC RELATIONSHIP with Rachel! And he's like dangerous and shit which totally makes him RACHEL CANDY! REASLEY 4EVAH!!!

O deer.

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*thinks* *ponders* *wonders* I think you're right. Reasley is the stealth ship that Cock Block has been trying to keep on the DL. She's a sly one, that Cock Block. But looking back on it now, it seems so clear! Keasley, that sexy ass bastard, even came back from the dead (kinda). He's like Rachel Candy Ultimate Combo.

But that bitch Matalina, who should have realized Jenks and Rachel's true love by now

She's such a selfish cow. I hate her. What does she do anyway? Jenks is always being a super awesome father and taking care of his kids, WHILE also helping Rachel save the world, and protecting her more than anyone else. Matalina doesn't even realize the bond that forms between people in the field. All she does is sit on her lazy dying ass SOWING! Rachel and Jenks are making a difference in the world TOGETHER!

what's to stop Rachel from using him like a vibrator!?!

He even fits in her purse. And when he goes off when other people are around, it's always really embarrassing for her. Have you had a vibrator go off around people after you tucked it away someplace you THOUGHT was secure? It's almost as embarrassing as Jenks, so that's perfect.

Besides, it's not the size that counts. It's how you use it. And you know, Jenks doesn't have a problem in that area. I'd say ask Matalina ... but she's a whore, so it doesn't matter what she thinks.

JENCHEL4EVAH!

(Jenchel could totally be the name of one of his kids. Seriously, those names are the worst, I'd be so embarrassed if I was like his 45 child where it was made really clear they just didn't give a shit about my name. Why not start using some M names, since Matalina - WHORE OF THE INFIDELS - did give birth to them?)

[identity profile] runetraverse.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
*mopping up keyboard and computer, still snickering* You two are frigging evil-funny, you know that? Use him as a vibrator . . . a kid name Jenchel . . . cripes. *shaking head* Shiny new internetz for both of ya.

[identity profile] trancer21.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
He's like Rachel Candy Ultimate Combo.

You know that 'frail old man' routine is just a cover. Like, one day, Rachel is gonna go visit Keasley and he'll be in the backyard working on his tomato garden he created just for Rachel. (I don't know if it's mentioned in the books but Rachel really loves tomatoes) Then he takes off his shirt and he's like all ripped and shit, dousing himself with a garden hose, and his aura's glowing like fucking Cherynobyl and Rachel creams her panties 'cuz she's standing in the 'blast zone'. And then they have the hottest witch-sex this side of the ever-after! And even Ivy's like 'how can I continue to love you when you have Keasley? *sobs* I can't compare to his studliness'! GO AHEAD.. I TRIPLE-DOG DARE YOU - DENY THEIR TRUE LOVE!!

All she does is sit on her lazy dying ass SOWING!

OMG, I *know*!! I mean, sure, Matalina (the hoor) could have contributed more if Jenks weren't treating her womb like a clown car! But still, that bitch just should have kept her legs closed!! It's why she needs to like hurry up and fucking die!! Rachel knows how to handle a man like Jenks!

Seriously, those names are the worst, I'd be so embarrassed if I was like his 45 child where it was made really clear they just didn't give a shit about my name.

Heh, Jenks and Matalina are like the Duggars of the Pixie world. I'm waiting for them to start naming the kids after cars or something - Jeep, Jord, Jolvo, Jevrolet!

[identity profile] lostingeekdom.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Jenks and Matalina are like the Duggars of the Pixie world. I'm waiting for them to start naming the kids after cars or something - Jeep, Jord, Jolvo, Jevrolet!

Yeesh! Don't start giving her ideas!
Edited 2009-03-31 22:20 (UTC)

[identity profile] trancer21.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you kidding? I want Harrison to have a 'Name Jenks Next Dozen Kids' contest, because I totally want Jenks next kid to be named Jambalaya or Jimbabwe or Jiggywitit!

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Jambalaya or Jimbabwe or Jiggywitit!

Can you keep doing this all night? I'm loving it. Seriously, tears are streaming from my eyes.

Jiggywitit would be my most favoritiest of Jenks' kids ever. I would love it if they all formed a band. I think Jimbabwe would be on the drums. I don't know why, I just do.

[identity profile] trancer21.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
That's because Jimbabwe is the secret love child of Matalina and Keasley. Four dozen, teeny-tiny future members of the Aryan Nation and only *one* child with black hair and brown eyes.. and rhythm!?! Puh-leez! Keasley's a total pimp!

I'm hoping the next set Matalina pops out are twins. This way Jenks can name them Jumpin' and Jehosaphat. Then, after that, she has quadruplets named John, Jacob, Jinglehiemer and Jmidt! Because, you know, that's my name too!

[identity profile] runetraverse.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
*wonders if she should remind about the wish that made Jenks sterile* Though if Matalina did get pregnant at this point, that would have to be the weirdest explanation ever.

[identity profile] trancer21.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
Pfft. That thing called 'canon' is merely a speedbump on the path to the love of all ages that is Jenchel!! Like, isn't it totally obvious that Jenks all-consuming desire for Rachel would render that stupid wish null and void!?! Only a man with a fertile penis is good enough for Rachel! Sure, he and Keasley are gonna have to have a 'fight to the death' match to see who truly owns Rachel's heart (Keasley) but that's not going to stop Jenks from his.. urges!

[identity profile] runetraverse.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
xDDDDD

Is it sad that my brain immediately turned it into a "Rachel-has-a-harem" situation, with Keasley and Jenks as Rachel's walking pretty-boys? And of course, Glenn and Al - and maybe Pierce - could join in later on. And Marshall, of course, because no man can resist Rachel's insanely powerful -

- yeah, ya know, I can't even finish. *snicker*

[identity profile] trancer21.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
..because no man can resist Rachel's insanely powerful -

Mystical, Magical Hoo-Ha?

[identity profile] runetraverse.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 09:15 am (UTC)(link)
Nah, she's not quite that bad yet. 'sides, then Anita Blake and Merry would have to come kick her ass for horning in on their turf. xDDD

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Like, one day, Rachel is gonna go visit Keasley and he'll be in the backyard working on his tomato garden he created just for Rachel.

Because Rachel needs MORE people to do MORE things for her. She is special. Special people should get things given to them. When it rains, people should fling themselves on the ground and create a human bridge so that Rachel doesn't get her vamp-made boots wet (she vamp-made boot, did you know that? It's hardly ever mentioned so I thought I'd point that out). Keasley SHOULD make a garden for her. She deserves it! She's been through a lot you know. Other people have been raped, murdered, molested and beaten. It's HARD to know that something like that has happened to other people. Seeing what has happened to other people makes her so sad.

Then he takes off his shirt and he's like all ripped and shit, dousing himself with a garden hose, and his aura's glowing like fucking Cherynobyl and Rachel creams her panties 'cuz she's standing in the 'blast zone'.

LOL! I can't even think of something funny to write in response to that. That is just too perfect. "his aura's glowing like fucking Cherynobyl" OMG, I died. I died.

nd even Ivy's like 'how can I continue to love you when you have Keasley? *sobs* I can't compare to his studliness'!

She really can't though. Because she doesn't have a penis. I know that Ivy loves Rachel and everything. I think it's really cute, you know, that she thinks they'll end up together. But Ivy doesn't have a penis, so she's not worth anything. She should just let Rynn Cormel put his penis in her, and leave Rachel and Keasley alone. Then everyone will be happy with their respective penii.

GO AHEAD.. I TRIPLE-DOG DARE YOU - DENY THEIR TRUE LOVE!!

Deny it? Why would I want to do that? They are so dreamy together.

It's like if Edward Cullen were an old black man, and a witch, and lived in Cincinati, and owned a home, and didn't live with his parents, and ... if Bella Swan was really beautiful, but in a plain sort of unassuming way, and people flocked to her even though she is plain and unassuming, and she has a special power but we're not told what it is until Breaking Dawn The Outlaw Demon Wails because the author didn't think of it before then. AND she had all of these super awesome friends who would protect her at all costs even though she's plain and unassuming, and guys were fighting over her all the time and ... wait ... just ... one ... second ... ... here!

They don't sound different AT ALL! Well, okay according to SMeyer logic (so, whatever the opposite of logic is) Rachel is practically decrepit at the ripe old age of 26. But other than Rachel being fucking Methuselah there's not much difference there.

if Jenks weren't treating her womb like a clown car!

LOL!

I'm waiting for them to start naming the kids after cars or something - Jeep, Jord, Jolvo, Jevrolet

OMG! I want to be Jevrolet (but only if I can make people say it the fancy way ... Gev-ro-lay, Mmm, it's like rolling in a pile of dollar bills ... on stage at Madam Chastity's Dance House)

[identity profile] trancer21.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Seeing what has happened to other people makes her so sad.

Yeah, and Rachel wouldn't be sad if her friends weren't a bunch of insensitive fucking assholes. Like, so Matalina's dying and shit, that's no reason for Jenks to rub it in Rachel's face 24/7 - 'Boo-hoo, my wife's dying but I'm here with you protecting your worthless ass.. again!'. GOD, grab a tiny tissue to go along with your tiny violin and SHUT THE FUCK UP!! Can't you *see* how sad this makes Rachel?

Trent (*sigh* he's so dreamy) totally did Rachel a favor by killing Brent. Like, so what if Rachel got Brent kicked out of his pack. He should have just crawled into a hole and died sparing Rachel the pain of having not saved him. Fucking stalker!

And fucking Alice, even Rachel's own MOTHER won't STFU!! Boo-hoo, I went batshit insane because I screwed around on your fake-dad, and kept a BIG GIANT (but when you actually think about it not incredibly) PAINFUL SECRET when I could have been boning the really hot rock star who still loves me! Oh, and he wants me to move to California and shack up with him. LATER BITCHES!! *eyeroll* She's such a selfish whore. Why can't she just keep her ass in the kitchen and bake pies? Speaking of whores..

Ivy!! Miss I'm a vampire who can't control my blood lust and totally got blood-raped trying to protect Rachel! Like, yeah, or *course* she should be obligated to use her vamp connections to protect Rachel. And Ivy should totally be on her hands and knees eating whatever scraps Rachel decides to toss her way but, GOD, does she have to be so.. pushy!?! Even though Ivy's protecting Rachel, Rachel doesn't owe her shit! JUST BECAUSE RACHEL HAS SEXUAL FANTASIES ABOUT YOU ALL THE TIME AND THINKS YOU'RE TOTES DREAMY DOESN'T MEAN SHE WANTS TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU!! GOD, what's so fucking hard to understand about that?

It's like if Edward Cullen were an old black man...

Wait? You mean he's *not*? Shit, I've been reading these books the *wrong* way!

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
GOD, grab a tiny tissue to go along with your tiny violin and SHUT THE FUCK UP!! Can't you *see* how sad this makes Rachel?

I know! Some people right! Rachel is fucking sensitive! She's a goddamn snow-leppord! She is a creature of rare beauty and feeling! She must be protected at all costs, dammit! And anyone who would not lay down their life for her only refuses cause they jelus!

kept a BIG GIANT (but when you actually think about it not incredibly) PAINFUL SECRET

LOL!

JUST BECAUSE RACHEL HAS SEXUAL FANTASIES ABOUT YOU ALL THE TIME AND THINKS YOU'RE TOTES DREAMY DOESN'T MEAN SHE WANTS TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU!!

That this is canon and not a joke at all makes me want to cry. Seriously, the brilliance of the Ivy paragraph (and the reason I want to cry) is because that IS pretty much how Rachel thinks. It's like, "Oh, my best friend is getting raped for me, and giving up her job, inheritance and dignity to protect me ... must be a Tuesday. I think I'll promise to cook, not do it, and then make fun of her for being concerned about me, and organizing things because I am a messy, lazy asshole." Rachel's fucking lucky she's cute (in a plain and unassuming kind of way), cause Ivy deserves so much better.

Shit, I've been reading these books the *wrong* way!

It's not your fault. Cock Block never mentions race or physical attributes. I don't even know what colour Rachel's hair is! I wish she would tell us these things, or at least remind us once a book. Ivy's Asian heritage, came out of nowhere. And Glenn being black must have only been brought up once, in Book Three, which I didn't read, because I can't remember it being mentioned anywhere else.

Also, what did Rachel have for lunch? Cock Block never gives us DETAILS!

[identity profile] trancer21.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
Ivy's Asian heritage, came out of nowhere.

Apropos of nothing, it mildly ticks me off every time Ivy's looks are described as 'softly Asian' 'cuz I like wanna shake Harrison and scream 'ASIA IS A REALLY FUCKING BIG CONTINENT NOT A COUNTRY THE SIZE OF SWITZERLAND'! It's like describing Rachel as 'softly European' when the girl practically has 'Erin Go Bragh' stamped on her forehead! Rachel has lived long enough with Ivy to know a bit more about her 'Asian' heritage. Oh yeah, that would mean Rachel starting a conversation that doesn't revolve around Rachel.

Heh, maybe I should drop that question in the Drama Box. 'Dude, after seven books, shouldn't Rachel know *which* part of Asia Ivy's soft features come from?'.

ETA: I do have to give Harrison props. One of the reasons I *do* like the books is she populates her world with characters of color *without* making it look like tokenism. Which, sadly, is rarer in urban fantasy than it should be. So, thumbs up for that.. just some minor deductions for the continuous 'soft Asian features' crap.
Edited 2009-04-01 03:29 (UTC)

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
it mildly ticks me off every time Ivy's looks are described as 'softly Asian' 'cuz I like wanna shake Harrison and scream 'ASIA IS A REALLY FUCKING BIG CONTINENT NOT A COUNTRY THE SIZE OF SWITZERLAND'!

It doesn't matter what part of Asia her families from. Don't you know it's all the same. She's just supposed to look slightly exotic, so that everyone will 'oooh and ahhh' over her.

Rachel has lived long enough with Ivy to know a bit more about her 'Asian' heritage. Oh yeah, that would mean Rachel starting a conversation that doesn't revolve around Rachel.

Oh, but you see, Rachel is being polite when she doesn't ask. Because asking about a vampire's bloodlines is a TURN ON TO VAMPIRES! And, we all know that Rachel would never do anything that would turn Ivy on. She's too careful for that.

I've always thought that bizarre rule was a way to keep them from really getting to know each other in the beginning. It was DWW cock-blockage, but that early on in the series, I was just glad that a F/F attraction was even being acknowledged that I didn't mind the cock-blockage. Now I'm like:

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'Dude, after seven books, shouldn't Rachel know *which* part of Asia Ivy's soft features come from?'

Ask. I'm curious since Tamwood is completely unhelpful since Kim made that shit up. Now, I'm not hating here, I actually love the last name Tamwood, with with it's exotic softly Asian leaning, it's just not very helpful.

I'd be curious to see if Kim's even really thought about it.

[identity profile] trancer21.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
I'd be curious to see if Kim's even really thought about it.

Ha! At this point, I bet she'd just be glad to get a question about Ivy that didn't revolve around Ivy boning Rachel!

Okay, you've convinced me. I'm gonna dip my toes in the 'Drama Box' and ask. Just give me a couple days to ask this as 'politely' as possible because, right now, Rachel's non-descript descriptions of Ivy have an air of, as you said, 'they all look alike to me' and/or 'Asian fetishism'.

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 10:54 am (UTC)(link)
At this point, I bet she'd just be glad to get a question about Ivy that didn't revolve around Ivy boning Rachel!

lol. You're probably right. But I'm kind of glad that everyone and their brother is asking her about Ivy bonin' Rachel. Maybe it will be the Cluex4 that Cock Block needs to stop with the cock-blocking.

Rachel's non-descript descriptions of Ivy have an air of, as you said, 'they all look alike to me' and/or 'Asian fetishism'.

This. I've always felt that at a dinner party, Rachel would introduce Ivy like, "This is Ivy. Tamwood. She's non-threateningly part Asian. Ask her about chopsticks. Go on. She's so good with them."

[identity profile] runetraverse.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 09:14 am (UTC)(link)
*raises hand* I think it was mentioned once that Tam was most likely Chinese, with the 'wood' part added in. And not just in that one lovely fic of yours. xD Drama Box, maybe.

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
Tam was most likely Chinese, with the 'wood' part added in. And not just in that one lovely fic of yours

Yeah, I did a little research before the fic and figured that the Tam part WAS most likely Chinese. But you can Vietnamese with the last name Tam as well. I don't know, after seven books you'd think that Cock Block would have been able to clear that up. It would take like one throw away, "Oh, where'd you get this vase, Ivy?" "It's my Grandmothers. Ming Dynasty. A family heirloom." DONE! Drama Box answers just mean she hasn't put it in the books.

Also, I don't know if you can help me, but I STILL can't figure out how the vampire naming works. Why is Ivy a Tamwood and Erica a Randall. I know Erica took on (their father's?) last name, but like how is it decided which kid gets which last name? And what if there are more than two kids? And is it really anything more than semantics or is Erica really somehow MORE Randall than Tamwood? I is confused about this. Hmm, if you can't help, maybe I should pop on over to the drama box.

[identity profile] runetraverse.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, from what I know / figured out, the children's last names are given according to the power of the family. The Tamwoods (Piscary) were the strongest and most powerful line, so the firstborn (Ivy) became theirs. Next child in line goes to the other / next most powerful family, so Erica (since she's the secondborn to the same parents) became a Randall. With more kids - well, it'd probably be a combination of politics and whichever family lines were involved that decided their last name. It's not genetic, more to do with status.

If you'll forgive the anime-geek reference, it's a little like the Hyuuga Clan from Naruto. Firstborn = main family and most powerful, secondborn = branch family.

[identity profile] lostingeekdom.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought the same thing about the OP, but then, why didn't Cock Block correct the mistake? She agreed instead. Gah!

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
why didn't Cock Block correct the mistake? She agreed instead. Gah!

This!

Ugh.

The Cock Blocking is never-ending. Is Cock Block admitting that Rachel wants to sleep with Ivy, or was she just a lazy reader with that one?

We shall never know, and therein lies her genius ... and her MADNESS (oh, wait I meant OUR madness, and her sick, demented pleasure!)

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm guessing that there is absolutely going to be no blood between them now and because Rachel isn't good at keeping relationships platonic she couldn't sleep with Ivy without wanting to get bitten right?

3/31/09 You've sort of hit Rachel's problem right on the head of the nail. Yup. But at least she's honest with herself. --Kim"


Uh, what? WHAT? Oh my god *bangs head*

If, Cock Block is actually agreeing that Rachel wants to sleep with Ivy here, THEN THE WHOLE NO BITING THING MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. If they mix blood and love, Rachel is in absolutely no danger from Ivy. Ivy is complete control as long as she can touch Rachel, so there would be no threat of accidental binding if they were lovers, and therefore there would be no reason not to share blood.

I really feel like Cock Block is changing the rules midstream. I feel like suddenly Ivy's bloodlust is being made a much bigger deal than it was in the beginning. In Book 4 and 5, it was stressed that Ivy would not have a problem controlling herself if Rachel let her touch her. Now, I feel like Cock Block is trying to make it seem like Ivy could lose control at any second no matter what (which goes hand in hand with the way drinking blood was demonized in WWBC - while, ironically, actual demons were used as comic relief and demon curses were seen as justifiable)

Seriously, this biting thing bugs me SO much. It's stupid. It's like getting bitten by vampires is fine for EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD except for our precious little sparrow, Rachel?

Honestly, if Glenn, the human, who was afraid of tomatoes two years ago, who is physically weaker than Ivy and can't use magic to hurt her, is willing to trust Ivy and let her bite him ... and Rachel, the most awesome-est most powerful witch in the all the land, who has known Ivy for years and claims to love her, isn't willing to trust Ivy and let her bite her, then FUCK RACHEL, man.

Honestly, it's a huge slap in the face to Ivy that Rachel doesn't want to be bitten. HUGE! Even if she did get bound, Ivy would NEVER abuse that connection. And if Rachel DOES what she promised and finds a way to save Ivy's soul, then even when Ivy becomes undead she still would NEVER abuse the connection between them.

I'm confused.

*sigh* Yes. Confusing people is what Cock Block is best at (well, besides cock-blocking of course).

[identity profile] ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I have 3 theories about our Kim:

1. She never meant to be here and she's desperately trying to figure out where to go next, hence all the little inconsistencies that are cropping up.

2. She knows exactly what's coming and she's just fucking around with us to keep us clueless.

3. She is clueless.

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
She is clueless.

LOL! Oh, that's wicked. I like it, lol!

She never meant to be here and she's desperately trying to figure out where to go next, hence all the little inconsistencies that are cropping up.

I think this is probably the one though. Not only did she not plan on Ravy at the beginning, but the series keeps getting extensions so where we are now in it, is NOT what she originally envisioned for the evolution of the characters. There's clear direction and development in the first five books, that was building towards what would have been a satisfying ending for Book 6. But now, there's suddenly 8 more books to go (4 I guess when she started ODW, plus the six more that may or may not be happening) and suddenly it's like "Oh, fuck, what do I do with them now?"

And the "Oh, fuck, what do I do with them now?" of it all is showing through, painfully, at the moment. I feel like there's no direction, and no development, and I keep waiting for Vampiric Charms to get a child side-kick. When this I will not be able to deny the series has jumped the shark and will turn my back on the whole thing.

[identity profile] ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I think this is probably the one though. Not only did she not plan on Ravy at the beginning, but the series keeps getting extensions so where we are now in it, is NOT what she originally envisioned for the evolution of the characters. There's clear direction and development in the first five books, that was building towards what would have been a satisfying ending for Book 6.

Yeah, all snark aside, this is really where I think Kim is at. We know from amany comments she's made that she never planned for Ivy to be bi. We also know that when she started writing the series, her deal was for 6 books and that's where the story arcs were taking us. Then she got extended and she hasn't figured out yet how the hell she's going to stretch it out for another 6 or 7 books. I *really* hope she figures it out for book 8 because I'd hate to lose interest in another series that started out so well... *cough*Anita Blake*cough*

[identity profile] runetraverse.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm leaning toward "started at 1, then moved to 2, and is now semi-sadistically enjoying the mental breakdowns of fans on both sides of the fence." xD

[identity profile] ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I *really* want to believe that she's at #2, but I'm kinda worried that she's still at #1...

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
and is now semi-sadistically enjoying the mental breakdowns of fans on both sides of the fence

I feel there's a definite element of this. She's teasing everyone right now and loving it, while the fans are nervous wrecks at the end of their ropes.

I don't enjoy her shenanigans.

[identity profile] lostingeekdom.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
See, Glenn is not a Mary Sue, and is therefore allowed to have some sense and be appreciative of the awesomesauce that is Ivy.

Something else CBMcG said in one of chats/comments that's sticking in my mind is that she doesn't want Ivy to find the magic bullet/potion/spell to control the gay the vampy instincts, but rather be able to overcome it by strength of will. Which makes me think she's going to pile on more shit than ever on Ivy, considering her track record.

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Glenn is not a Mary Sue, and is therefore allowed to have some sense and be appreciative of the awesomesauce that is Ivy.

lol. It's sad when pretty much every character in the book is smarter/more insightful than the main character (okay, Trent isn't ... which, OMG he probably is gonna end up with Rachel in the end and they can have annoying ass ignorant little babies who constantly make bad decisions but are saved by their magical blood and elviosity).

she doesn't want Ivy to find the magic bullet/potion/spell to control the gay the vampy instincts, but rather be able to overcome it by strength of will.

I am fine with this in theory. I LOVE this in theory. I want Ivy to be able to control it on her own. The amulet theory is interesting, but it just masks her real problem, doesn't get rid of it. I want Ivy to be able to heal.

Which makes me think she's going to pile on more shit than ever on Ivy, considering her track record.

This is my problem with the idea. Ivy has suffered enough. I'm tired of seeing her beaten and kicked. I think that may be part of this Glenn thing, that he's a healthy way for her to begin to heal.

BUT I hate that, because it undermines Ravy, but making Rachel and Ivy's relationship seem even more dysfunctional because they've been trying to help each other for how long, and sudden Glenn is able to fix her. Especially with turning Skimmer into a pathetic attempted rapist in WWBC is Cock Block has Ivy sudden fixed by being with a man, I will never read another book in this series, and I will burn the ones I currently own.

[identity profile] lost-dreamer23.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG he probably is gonna end up with Rachel in the end
Lesbian does not like this idea.

[identity profile] vjb2006.livejournal.com 2009-04-02 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
At the risk of jacking this post - how about this for Rachel:

My mother’s always trying to tell me
How to be grateful how to believe
My father’s always trying to say
Baby you’re beautiful in every way
My lover’s always got me in his arms
Trying to protect me keep me from harm
So why do I always have to be
My worst my own worst enemy


Oh if she were only so self aware! Maybe her mother or [fill in the blank male lover] could clue her in for us? please?

My Own Worst Enemy - Idina Menzel
Edited 2009-04-02 03:46 (UTC)

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-04-02 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
My worst my own worst enemy

You certainly are Cock Block Rachel, you certainly are.

The problem is she's been sabotaging her own happiness for so long now, that I really don't give a shit about this Rachel Morgan. Rachel as of For A Few More Demons, I still gave a shit about. ODW and now WWBC Rachel, can kiss my black ass.

Maybe her mother or [fill in the blank male lover] could clue her in for us? please?

Pretty much every one of Rachel's male lovers has tried to convince her that she wants to sleep/share blood with Ivy. A former U.S. fucking President has tried to convince her that she wants to sleep/share blood with Ivy.

At the beginning of the kitchen scene in ODW I would have said Alice would have supported Ravy, but the more Alice we've been treated to, the more I wish we were. Cause I've gone from "Alice Morgan is Awesome" to basically rolling my eyes at everything she says. Her support of Marshall, even as man-candy, kind of made her dead to me. I'm not sorry to see her go (not that it really matters since I won't be reading anymore).

[identity profile] vjb2006.livejournal.com 2009-04-02 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
My prime choice: Our collective voice to KH about the books to follow WWBC:

Well, you filled up my head with so many lies.
You twisted my heart till somethin' snapped inside.
I'd like to give it one more try,
But my give-a-damn's busted.

You can crawl back home, say you were wrong;
Stand out in the yard and cry all night long.
Well, go ahead and water the lawn:
My give-a-damn's busted.

I really wanna care.
I wanna feel somethin'.
Let me dig a little deeper:.
No, sorry: nothin'.

You can say you've got issues, you can say you're a victim.
It's all your parents fault, after all you didn't pick 'em.
Maybe somebody else has got time to listen:
My give-a-damn's busted.

Well, your therapist says it was all a mistake:
A product of the Prozac an' your co-dependent ways.
So who's your neighbor these days?
My give-a-damn's busted.

I really wanna care.
I wanna feel somethin'.
Let me dig a little deeper:.
No, still nothin'.

It's a desperate situation, no tellin' what you'll do.
If I don't forgive you, you say your life is through.
C'mon, gimme somethin' I can use:
My give-a-damn's busted.

Well, I really wanna care.
I wanna feel somethin'.
Let me dig a little deeper:
No, I'm sorry.
Just nothin', you know.
You've really done it this time, ha, ha.
My give-a-damn's busted.


Jo Dee Messina - My Giveadamn's busted

My give-a-damns busted ...

[identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com 2009-04-02 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
OMG! This song is perfect! This song IS how I feel at the moment! My give-a-damns so busted at the moment.

Well, you filled up my head with so many lies.
You twisted my heart till somethin' snapped inside.
I'd like to give it one more try,
But my give-a-damn's busted.


AHHHHHH! It speaks the truth!

You can crawl back home, say you were wrong;
Stand out in the yard and cry all night long.
Well, go ahead and water the lawn:
My give-a-damn's busted.


This is totally how I feel. Like if CB took back what she wrote today, I would totally be all, "You can crawl back home, say you were wrong; Well, go ahead and water the lawn: My give-a-damn's busted."


Well, I really wanna care.
I wanna feel somethin'.
Let me dig a little deeper:
No, I'm sorry.
Just nothin', you know.
You've really done it this time, ha, ha.
My give-a-damn's busted.


This. Just "This x infinity plus one"