Cock Block Strikes Again!

[fembuck]

Hollows/Ravy fans, read at your own risk ...

Drama Box Question
THi Kim!!! Since its April 1, I can ask my question about WWBC, although its not really a spoiler. Anyway, when Rachel is picking up her brother that the airport, she sees a woman greeting her partner with their children. Then she is sad that her and Ivy's relationship will never be recognized like that. First, awesome scene and a nod to other families. Second, how can Rachel not want to be with Ivy after a thought like that? Seriously, people don't have those kind of thoughts about normal friends. Honestly, I think that Rachel is just so scared she would lose Ivy that she is not even letting herself consider the possibility. Look at how their auras merged to become one in ODW. Ok, I'm done stating my case for time being. I'm lovin' the book!!!~Indy

Cock-Blocks Answer
4/1/09 -- Hi, Indy. It's complicated. Rachel is smart enough to know that some things come with so many attachments, that to follow them will lead to disaster. Yes, you can try, but at some point, it's going to fall apart. Ivy is my tragic figure, and she will be happy when I'm done even if I have to kill her to do it. (just kidding) Ivy will be happy, but it won't be with Rachel. And Rachel is going to have to live with that. --Kim

My Response
That sounds pretty conclusive to me.




The nicest thing I can say is, at least she finally manned up and has stopped intentionally fucking with the hopes of Ravy fans.

So, on the one hand ... I'm free! I no longer do I have to worry about how I'm going to get through 6 more books. The answer: I don't! I'm done. I'm retiring from the stage. Adios. Sayonara. Goodbye. And, there's something in having that resolved at least. A clean break and all that.

Mostly, I'm feeling like this towards Cock Block however:

Because, while she didn't owe me a Ravy ending to the series, she made me hope for it, and for books, and books, and books was tease about the whole fucking thing and so ...




Thanks for the memories!  It was good for a while between us bb, but it got ugly real fast!  Buh-bye.


*gets ready to start programming my brain into believing, utterly and completely, that the series ended with book five*

Looks like it's strictly fanficly from now on ... my heart is sad, but I guess my wallet can rest easy.

*sigh*

So, yeah ... there's that.

Comments

[dhamphir]

Thanks for the info... now I KNOW I won't bother with the books.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Don't. Just save yourself the pain. There's no reason to get started knowing that you are going to be disappointed.

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[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Truly a picture is worth a thousand words.

I understand this completely. I feel like I could eat my own face in an attempt to clamp down on my disappointment.

[ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com]

Awww *hug*

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Thanks, lol.

I'm taking this all way to hard, I know.

[ralst.livejournal.com]

I take this as a sign from the universe that you need to write an alternative book six with a happy Ravy ending.

[ic1pher.livejournal.com]

The perfection is strong with this one. Comment: A, Avatar: A+ :)

[madndizzee.livejournal.com]

crap! i'm definitely not reading anymore of the series then. fanfics please!

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Don't read anymore of it. Stop. Be free.

If we continue reading we're only setting ourselves up for disappointment. In Cock Block I do not trust.

[trancer21.livejournal.com]

WOW!! I just.. wow! I'm gonna need time to process this because, yeah, nice to see she, after contemplating whether to piss or get off the pot, decided to take the 'piss' route. And, like you, I can now make a clean break from the series. But..

I can feel an epic rant coming on! At the moment I'm just too gobsmacked to actually get pissed!

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

And, like you, I can now make a clean break from the series.

It's the only slightly good thing to come out of all of this shit. But honestly, I wish I had known that she was just fucking around sooner so that I could have jumped ship two books ago.

I can feel an epic rant coming on! At the moment I'm just too gobsmacked to actually get pissed!

I can't wait to read it!

I'll tell you the part of her statement that's really pissing me off right now. It was the "And Rachel is just going to have to live with that" statement, because it goes back to what you were saying about everything being about Rachel all the time because Rachel is the most perfectest, most specialest, most awesomest person ever.

Fuck that!

If Rachel and Ivy don't end up together in the end it will be 110% Rachel's fault. Rachel has spent the entire series ignoring Ivy's feelings and denying her own feelings ... for no good reason.

If, after jerking Ivy around for another 2 or 3 years Rachel suddenly has a change of heart, and decides oh, now that all of my other options didn't pan out I'll return your feelings, then fuck her in the face!

Rachel deserves it if Ivy leaves her. Honestly, if Rachel pulled a 180 at the end of series, I would have NO sympathy for her when Ivy left.

And, I'm not going to read the one book where K.H condescends to have them kiss or make out or have sex of whatever, only to break them up and have Ivy move on with some random lady and Rachel to move on with whoever the hell is thrown into the picture for her. I will not read any 'sweeps week' book.

[onlyjustwhisper.livejournal.com]

*is very cross* That sucks!
I'm seconding the people saying that you need to write an alternative ending!!

[lostingeekdom.livejournal.com]

Ok. I'm done with this.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

I fully support you on this.

*waves goodbye to book series*

[su-bones.livejournal.com]

Fuck her, the woman is crazy and can't make up her mind...I personally wouldn't be too surprised if she ended up changing her mind again!! And where the hell did she possibly get the idea that Ivy can be happy with someone other than Rache? Doesn't she know that it's herself that has been writing Ivy so freaking in love with Rachel that it makes it really reaally hard to believe she can be happy without the (most of the time) adorably stupid redhead?

*sigh* Okay, enough with my rant ;P

And so...there's always, like you said, the fanficly route ;) I seriously hope a good writer (*cough*that means you*cough*) gives us Ravy fans the pleasure of getting a happy ending. You know, a continuation of book 5, etc?? Please? ........ *g*

I'm off to bed now, where at least there I Ravy can have all the happy endings I want them to, without KH interfering, and where I can erm...enjoy said happy endings...x)

bye bye

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Fuck her, the woman is crazy and can't make up her mind...I personally wouldn't be too surprised if she ended up changing her mind again!!

I say 'fuck her' even if she does change her mind again. Jerking fans around is not cool. This is not sly hinting. This was an outright statement of fact. If she expects people to follow this series for 13 fucking books, she should have some idea where its going.

And where the hell did she possibly get the idea that Ivy can be happy with someone other than Rache? Doesn't she know that it's herself that has been writing Ivy so freaking in love with Rachel that it makes it really reaally hard to believe she can be happy without the (most of the time) adorably stupid redhead?

This is why I have to stop reading, because the characters are starting to be ruined for me. They are making stupid and illogical decisions, simply to further Cock Blocks ridiculous idea that they shouldn't be together, while EVERYTHING THAT SHE ACTUALLY WRITES supports the idea of them being together. Anything that involves them not ending up together will feel forced and false.

[wishing-wounds.livejournal.com]

Yech, disappointing. Kim's obviously mercurial, though, so I don't know how much stock to put into her random conclusions.

Eh, at least there's fanfic.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Kim's obviously mercurial, though, so I don't know how much stock to put into her random conclusions.

I definitely think she's mercurial, but I'm beyond caring about that. If she doesn't know what's going to happen, then she shouldn't say anything about it. This was a strong statement denying a possibility for a lasting romantic Ravy relationship. If she ends up contradicting this, it means that she knowingly was fucking with fans heads, or that she has no idea where the series is going or where the characters are going, and I'm not staying on some paddle-less boat that going around in circles.

Eh, at least there's fanfic.

This.

[angharad_gov.livejournal.com]

thanks for the info. i'm halfway through ODW and have been half reading and half not 'cos of the stuff i'm reading/ learning through your posts.

i'm done with it too. buh-bye. won't even finish ODW. really don't care. really don't want to go through 6 more books (or however many more it is going end up) of endless teasing from CockBlock McG. i'm glad i just borrowed the ones i did read from the library than wasted $$ on this stuff.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

i'm done with it too. buh-bye. won't even finish ODW. really don't care.

Jump ship now, and don't look back (well, you can look back, but don't look forward. That way madness lies). I could point out some good things about ODW and WWBC, but those things are Ravy related, and if Ravy is ultimately meaningless, and the little steps forward are actually leading to an elevator that goes nowhere, then why bother?

Ravy is the only thing I cared about in the series, so now there's no reason to continue reading the series.

i'm glad i just borrowed the ones i did read from the library than wasted $$ on this stuff.

Smart woman. I wish I could say the same thing.

[amikana.livejournal.com]

how terribly unsatisfying.

and confusing. ivy is the "tragic figure" but ends up happy while rachel has to "live with" the fact that ivy is happy, but not with her? i'm not sure i understand how that is supposed to make sense...

this feels like such a cop out. :(

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

ivy is the "tragic figure" but ends up happy while rachel has to "live with" the fact that ivy is happy, but not with her? i'm not sure i understand how that is supposed to make sense...

Oh, I know! It's ridiculous. "Rachel is going to have to live with that?" What the fuck? It goes back to what trancer21 was saying about everything being about Rachel all the time because Rachel is the most perfectest, most specialest, most awesomest person ever. Fuck that, "Rachel will have to deal with that shit", if they don't get together it's because Rachel has actively worked for the entire series to shit on Ivy's feelings for her. So fuck her angst at Ivy finally moving on with someone who loves her. "Rachel will just have to learn to live with that" ARGH!

The very existence of that sentence irritates the fuck out of me.

[hypno-ninja.livejournal.com]

I ignore anything said on April Fools.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

I'd like to believe that it was an April Fools joke. But I don't. And if it was, I think I'd boycott the series anyway just for Cock Block being such a douche. Mentally fucking with fans for your own amusement, does not make me want to spend my money to help pay for your new pool.

[vjb2006.livejournal.com]

On the upside, no-one needs to worry about any clash between their fanfic and canon, now do they? 'Cause she's essentially given the community free rein to create the canon they want, so I prefer to think of it as a somewhat perverse freedom :)

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

'Cause she's essentially given the community free rein to create the canon they want, so I prefer to think of it as a somewhat perverse freedom :)

I totes understand this feeling. That's kind of how I feel now. It's like I'm freed from the fuckery that is canon, and I can go where I want with the characters without having to deal with Cock Blocks random cock-blockery getting in the way.

Though, I have to say, I would have preferred to see the relationship legitimized in canon. It's like subtext is great, but everyone once in a while you really, really wish you could have just text. This series could have been something special for a lot of people, but now it's just another disappointment. I would have followed it to the end if there was going to be Ravy, but I'm not interested if it's not going to happen. Ravy is what kept me in this, so without it, I'm out.

[(Anonymous)]

well that just blows... I feel like she chickened out of the relationship developing further. what a butt. :(

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

I feel like she chickened out of the relationship developing further.

This. I wish the cowardice had manifested itself earlier so that we weren't constantly being bombarded with hints about something that is not going to come to pass.

[(Anonymous)]

I've been lurking around your LJ for ages, but now I really do feel I should say something...

You're so right!
*sighs*


Oh yes, and before I forget,
Don't ever stop writing!


Hugs,
Aeleorn

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

You're so right!

I wish I wasn't. I wish Cock Block had proven me wrong. I would have happily eaten my words and worn egg on my face, if she had proved me wrong. But sadly, it seems the lack of faith was justified.

Oh yes, and before I forget,
Don't ever stop writing!

Oh, that's not going to happen!

[krumnut.livejournal.com]

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[fembuck.livejournal.com]

That Dawson .gif never gets old!

I can't even cry about this now. I think in my heart I always expected her to punk out, and now that she has, it's just like this ugly feeling of emptiness where my silly hope used to reside.

The Trencher's are probably shitting bricks right now, since that ship is seeming more and more likely, especially given the outline for book 9.

[alexz6.livejournal.com]

....i almost just tipped my laptop off my lap & onto the floor in pissyness
THAT IS SUCH CRAP!!!
The way Ivy is so devoted to Rachel and Rachel alone- i just dont see her being happy elsewhere *shakes head*
this is stupid*frowny face*

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

The way Ivy is so devoted to Rachel and Rachel alone- i just dont see her being happy elsewhere *shakes head*

I know. The "They both love each other but they can't be together" thing is such shit. They can't be together because Cock Block refuses to put them together. That's it. Narratively there's no reason that the shouldn't end up together, in fact as far as narrative goes they SHOULD end up together given that the one relationship with romantic undertones that has been a constant focus for all seven books in Rachel/Ivy.

But I think I'm ranted out at the moment, so I'll leave it at that.

[ediwan-kenobi.livejournal.com]

Well I'm done with the books too..

This is for you, I hope this make your day more happy..

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[fembuck.livejournal.com]

*dreamy sigh* Bleighton, you truly are the cure what ails a person!

The figure sucking picture might be the greatest thing ever captured on film. Seriously, I love these two.

[julygreen.livejournal.com]

Well. Consider the shark well and truly jumped.


I don't mind that "And Rachel is going to have to live with that" as much as you do, though. It sort of sounds like Rachel will realize what she missed out on, what she could have.
... I'm being way too charitable, aren't I?

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

It sort of sounds like Rachel will realize what she missed out on, what she could have.

That's what it does sound like. The thing is I don't care. If Rachel's misses out on the opportunity it's entirely her own fault. I will not feel sympathy for her. I will hurt for Ivy, that once again under the guise of caring Rachel will manage to emotionally torture her, but all of my sympathy will be for Ivy, and none of it will be for Rachel. Rachel has had too many opportunities to have what she wants, and she as turned her back on all of them. She is not unaware of Ivy's feeling for her, she not even unaware of the fact that she has more than friendly feelings for Ivy, and EVERYONE THEY KNOW thinks they like each other and would support them if they got together (even Keasley - who was the closest to being 'ew' about the idea of GoGA - was like, "I don't love it, but I like you both, and I'm not going to stop talking to you because of it").

Honestly, if it plays out like it seems it will I will actively be hoping for Rachel to suffer. But she won't for long. She never does. If WWBC is any indication, three days after Ivy leaves, Rachel will probably be lusting after the handsome dwarf we learn was secretly living in her basement for two years, who she had a powerful connection to while she was at Camp Kalamack.

[dollfleshdecay.livejournal.com]

Rachel is smart enough to know that

Okay, first, never begin a sentence with "Rachel is smart."

that some things come with so many attachments, that to follow them will lead to disaster. Yes, you can try, but at some point, it's going to fall apart.

WTF? She isn’t trying to say all of those type of relationships end badly, is she?

And Rachel is going to have to live with that.

Not even. This is ridiculous. I'm starting to think that cock-block is just as pompous as Rachel is. Maybe I was right, and Rachel is her Sasha Fierce. I really hope we don't find out that Ivy is based on some poor girl.

Her entire comment/reply makes me irate. She should not have jerked us around, it is wrong. Not to mention bad planning. A part of me really hopes she listens to her fans, and realises what a douche she has been by teasing us. But if she is anything like Rachel... well, enough said.

I hope someone writes her a scathing letter about this.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Okay, first, never begin a sentence with "Rachel is smart."

This. Utterly and completely this.

WTF? She isn’t trying to say all of those type of relationships end badly, is she?

Of course not! Just look at the loving and stable relationship between Ivy and Skimmer ... oh, wait ... yeah.

I don't think Kim is a homophobe who hates teh ghey, I just think she's scared of writing an honest to god gay relationship. Rachel's gay panic is a direct result of Kim's uncomfortableness. She said Ivy will be in a happy relationship with a woman (to pander to her les/bi/gay fans without actually giving them what they want), but I bet you we see little to no interaction between Ivy and this mystery woman, because 1) Rachel never pays any attention to someone unless it directly affects her, which can be seen in her not realizing Ivy and Glenn are dating 2) Kim doesn't really want to write f/f anyway, so getting Ivy together with a periphery female means everything can happen "off stage".

Maybe I was right, and Rachel is her Sasha Fierce.

I think you WERE right. Completely. Cock Block reasoning for things sounds very Rachel-esque.

I think I've realized that my main problem is that I don't like Rachel all that much. She's irritating most of the time, and okay at the best of times. I like Ivy. I'm in it for Ivy. But the author isn't. Which means the character I actually relate to, feel for, and care about will continue to get screwed so that the annoying, irritating lead can do whatever she wants.

I really hope we don't find out that Ivy is based on some poor girl.

Probably is. And I'm sure that Cock Block angsted for a long time about not being able to return this girls feelings. I'm sure it made her feel like totally so terrible about everything, and why does she have to go through these things. She didn't want to be so super awesome that girls fall in love with her, but she just is so super awesome that she can't control it and ends up breaking hearts. Life is hard sometimes.

But if she is anything like Rachel...

This is why I really have no hope of ending to this all that won't enrage me.


I hope someone writes her a scathing letter about this.

I would. For once in my life I finally have the desire to, but I don't think I could without it turning really, really ranty. And I don't think it would make a difference anyway, people talking to Rachel never does.

[orange-creative.livejournal.com]

My answer? One day, I'm sure I'll be bored enough to download it.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

I won't. Not unless someone tells me that Rachel and Ivy get together and live happily ever after in the end. If this is how the series ends, then maybe in like six years once all the books are published I'll give it a go. But if what Kim said in her answer is true, I'll never read another one of the books. I might look a summaries and spoilers just to know how everything comes together, but I'll never read another of the books.

I stopped the Twilight series in the middle because it was enraging me, and I can stop this too!

[ic1pher.livejournal.com]

What would redeem the story? I'm just wondering. I just love everything between book 1 and 4 that happens between Rachel and Ivy. Rachel has a lot of karmic payback to deliver, and I don't know how would she do it. I don't see Rachel growing up just by herself. She would have to be forced into a situation where she needs to reflect on her life and make hard decision. Throwing her into situations that bring her to her breaking point. Then Rachel realizing how deeply she loves lusts after Ivy and Ivy denying her that relationship and Rachel actually fighting for it and deserving it (hard to imagine, I know) after a lot has passed.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

She would have to be forced into a situation where she needs to reflect on her life and make hard decision. Throwing her into situations that bring her to her breaking point.

The thing is, she HAS been put into situations like this, and she HAS realized things (ex. The thought of Ivy being what gets her home from the ever-after), but none of this lessons stick. Rachel just goes back to denying everything days (or sometimes seconds) after an epiphany hits her.

Then Rachel realizing how deeply she loves lusts after Ivy and Ivy denying her that relationship and Rachel actually fighting for it and deserving it

The thing is, I don't think Rachel WILL/WOULD fight for Ivy. I think that she would probably just be like, 'Well, I've lost her'. And then we'll be treated to Rachel angsting over the fact that she's lost Ivy, that Ivy has abandoned her for someone else, and even though Rachel is really the reason that things went to shit and Ivy had to look elsewhere for love, Ivy will come off looking like the asshole in the end, because Rachel finally wanted to get together and Ivy turned her down. So, after 12 books (probably) of Ivy suffering for Rachel, fighting for Rachel, and unconditionally loving Rachel, Ivy will finally do something for herself (move on and find someone willing to love her back), and she will suffer for it by having to turn Rachel down, but ultimately Rachel will seem like the more tragic of the two because she'll be alone, while really Ivy suffered more than Rachel could imagine for longer than Rachel is capable of. *is shaking, but I honestly could see it playing out like this*

If WWBC is any indication, three days after Ivy leaves, Rachel will probably be lusting after the handsome dwarf we learn was secretly living in her basement for two years, who she had a powerful connection to while she was at Camp Kalamack.

[ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com]

ZOMG! She's flip-flopping again:

04/01/2009
Hi Kim!!! Question for you, why do different countries have different book covers? I think the US one is awesome!!! I can see if you need to write the title, and what not in another language, but why change the pics? Plus, I am going to try not to cry about Rachel & Ivy not being together. ~Indy

4/2/09 -- Hi, Indy. The reason the covers change is because the publishing house changes, and each house has their own marketing team, and they know what will sell in their country. Personally, I really like the US covers, but different things sell in different countries. No tears. It's not over yet. --Kim


She needs to stop even answering these questions until she can decide what's going to happen! *twitch*

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

No tears. It's not over yet. --Kim

I don't know if I'd call this a flip flop. She hasn't really retracted her statement from yesterday, she's just said that the Rachel and Ivy story isn't over yet, which I don't doubt.

I'm sure that Cock Block has tons more ways to torture Ivy and plenty of other ways to cock-block Ravy from happening. I'm sure she's got books worth of ways to put them through the emotional ringer, only for Ivy to end up with some woman that we haven't met yet and probably won't until like the second last book. And for Rachel to end up with someone we haven't met yet or like Trent or something.

In Cock Block I do not trust.

Maybe she'll prove me wrong, and I'll have to make a post talking apologizing to her for being such a hater. But I doubt she'll prove me wrong. And probably by the time the series is finished in other decade I won't care anymore.

[ralphy137.livejournal.com]

Jeez. She's such a twat. For a number of reason really.

But seriously what authors give away their game plan? It's like if on the 3rd book of Harry Potter J K Rowling was chatting away to her 'fans' and was like well yeh you know harry dies in the end. but we've just got to live with that.
sure maybe theres a huge number of people that really didn't want Ravy to happen, and whatever that's fine. But don't go and just say basically yeah Rachel and ivy = never going to happen. Because now thinking about reading any upcoming Ravy scenes is totally ruined cause I will just be like yeah big deal nothings going to come of it.

I can't believe that Cock Block will have come up with this amazing paring and then just shit on it. Like she's too scared or something.
I reckon even if Ravy did happen she couldn't write it for shit. And it would be a cop out like old SMeyer.

Personally I will read this series to the end, because once I've started I have to know how it ends. But the joy isn't there like it was for the first 4 or so. (Nothing beats the incident in the van.) But at the start I kinda liked Rachel but now I just want to tell her to shut the fuck up most of the time. I'd rather hear about what Ivy gets up to tvm. Also I'm fed up of reading books where clearly the main lead is who the author wishes they could be.

Let's hope that Cock Block for some mysterious reason cant finish the series (Death or something less horrific) and by chance you are the person asked to finish writing the series. Oh and if by some chance this did happen. Please no shoutbox, and please better website.

Ok I think thats rant over.

Ivy= fictional gf for life.