Cock Block Strikes Again!
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fembuckHollows/Ravy fans, read at your own risk ...
Drama Box Question
THi Kim!!! Since its April 1, I can ask my question about WWBC, although its not really a spoiler. Anyway, when Rachel is picking up her brother that the airport, she sees a woman greeting her partner with their children. Then she is sad that her and Ivy's relationship will never be recognized like that. First, awesome scene and a nod to other families. Second, how can Rachel not want to be with Ivy after a thought like that? Seriously, people don't have those kind of thoughts about normal friends. Honestly, I think that Rachel is just so scared she would lose Ivy that she is not even letting herself consider the possibility. Look at how their auras merged to become one in ODW. Ok, I'm done stating my case for time being.
I'm lovin' the book!!!~Indy
Cock-Blocks Answer
4/1/09 -- Hi, Indy. It's complicated. Rachel is smart enough to know that some things come with so many attachments, that to follow them will lead to disaster. Yes, you can try, but at some point, it's going to fall apart. Ivy is my tragic figure, and she will be happy when I'm done even if I have to kill her to do it. (just kidding) Ivy will be happy, but it won't be with Rachel. And Rachel is going to have to live with that. --Kim
My Response
That sounds pretty conclusive to me.
The nicest thing I can say is, at least she finally manned up and has stopped intentionally fucking with the hopes of Ravy fans.
So, on the one hand ... I'm free! I no longer do I have to worry about how I'm going to get through 6 more books. The answer: I don't! I'm done. I'm retiring from the stage. Adios. Sayonara. Goodbye. And, there's something in having that resolved at least. A clean break and all that.
Mostly, I'm feeling like this towards Cock Block however:
Because, while she didn't owe me a Ravy ending to the series, she made me hope for it, and for books, and books, and books was tease about the whole fucking thing and so ...
Thanks for the memories! It was good for a while between us bb, but it got ugly real fast! Buh-bye.
*gets ready to start programming my brain into believing, utterly and completely, that the series ended with book five*
Looks like it's strictly fanficly from now on ... my heart is sad, but I guess my wallet can rest easy.
*sigh*
So, yeah ... there's that.
Drama Box Question
THi Kim!!! Since its April 1, I can ask my question about WWBC, although its not really a spoiler. Anyway, when Rachel is picking up her brother that the airport, she sees a woman greeting her partner with their children. Then she is sad that her and Ivy's relationship will never be recognized like that. First, awesome scene and a nod to other families. Second, how can Rachel not want to be with Ivy after a thought like that? Seriously, people don't have those kind of thoughts about normal friends. Honestly, I think that Rachel is just so scared she would lose Ivy that she is not even letting herself consider the possibility. Look at how their auras merged to become one in ODW. Ok, I'm done stating my case for time being.
I'm lovin' the book!!!~IndyCock-Blocks Answer
4/1/09 -- Hi, Indy. It's complicated. Rachel is smart enough to know that some things come with so many attachments, that to follow them will lead to disaster. Yes, you can try, but at some point, it's going to fall apart. Ivy is my tragic figure, and she will be happy when I'm done even if I have to kill her to do it. (just kidding) Ivy will be happy, but it won't be with Rachel. And Rachel is going to have to live with that. --Kim
My Response
That sounds pretty conclusive to me.
The nicest thing I can say is, at least she finally manned up and has stopped intentionally fucking with the hopes of Ravy fans.
So, on the one hand ... I'm free! I no longer do I have to worry about how I'm going to get through 6 more books. The answer: I don't! I'm done. I'm retiring from the stage. Adios. Sayonara. Goodbye. And, there's something in having that resolved at least. A clean break and all that.
Mostly, I'm feeling like this towards Cock Block however:
Because, while she didn't owe me a Ravy ending to the series, she made me hope for it, and for books, and books, and books was tease about the whole fucking thing and so ...
Thanks for the memories! It was good for a while between us bb, but it got ugly real fast! Buh-bye.
*gets ready to start programming my brain into believing, utterly and completely, that the series ended with book five*
Looks like it's strictly fanficly from now on ... my heart is sad, but I guess my wallet can rest easy.
*sigh*
So, yeah ... there's that.
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Date: 2009-04-02 11:12 pm (UTC)If she has a flaw, it is being selfless and compassionate.
Honestly, I get the feeling Ivy's 'tragic figure' flaw is this - she loves someone (Rachel) who is physically incapable of loving her back. And there's an air of 'punishing the queer for her deviancy' that I'm not entirely comfortable with in Harrison's verse. Typically in vampire lore, or at least recently, vampire sexuality is presented as bisexual but Ivy's the only queer vampire (let alone queer character) in the books.
We were lead to believe that Piscary 'twisted' both Ivy and Kisten. But, when I saw Kisten - I sure as Hell didn't see 'twisted'. Where was his angst, where was his self-loathing, where was the evidence of the physical and emotional abuse that Ivy received? Because I sure as Hell didn't see it. I saw a guy who was quite happy at being both a vampire and Piscary's potential scion. And, honestly, I think a lot of that motivation was backburned the moment Harrison decided to make Kisten Rachel's lover.
Which is why I rolled my eyes at the whole 'Kisten died protecting Rachel and Ivy'. And it's like - oh really? Too bad he waited until he was dead to actually make some sort of attempt to protect Ivy. Where was this nobility when Ivy was getting blood-raped (and by God do I wish Harrison hadn't introduced this term) by Piscary (AGAIN) to save Rachel? Where was his need to protect Ivy when Piscary kicked him out of the clan, knowing the shit Ivy was going to have to go through? Oh yea, that's right, we got to see him whine and throw giant pity party for himself.
Um, yeah, back to Ivy. Vampire culture, while violent and icky, is still presented as pretty hetero-normative. Even amongst vampires, Ivy's abnormal. So when I read Harrison's 'tragic figure' statement, it just leads me to read the text as 'Ivy's tragedy is that she's queer' and her love for Rachel is her (potential) downfall. Once she gives up this pipe dream of loving another woman, she'll finally be happy. Yeah, sure, Harrison has said Ivy will find love with another woman but, at this point, I honestly don't believe her.