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So, I finally finished the series! I feel like I don't know what I'm going to do with my days now that I'm not obsessively reading these books. I might actually be able to get some work done (actually, probably not since that's what I'm avoiding doing by writing this message! God, I don't want to mark essays, they's gon' be bad! They's gon' be so bad!)

Thoughts:

1. Marshall equals fail. Don't bring him back, Kim! The parts with him in ODW were like unreadable for me. The first part of the book is like a blur to me, because I was too busy cringing and being bored as fuck to register what I was reading. I don't even know why he disappeared halfway throught the book, I'm just happy he did.

2. The Ivy/David hints made me want to puke.

I'm gonna be honest and say that I just want Ivy with a girl cause there's already an overwhelming abundence of het in the series and I want some GoGA (even if it's not Ivy/Rachel). I was cool with Ivy/Skimmer. I actually like Ivy/Skimmer quite a bit. Like, at least throw the femslashers a bone and give us Ivy with a female please. Television has already presented us with too many bisexual female characters who end up with a dude. Let a lady win for once, please!

Also, part of my hate comes from the fact that I just really don't like David [RPattz]at all[/RP]. Ivy/Rynn is more tolerable to me, in that it only makes me a little queasy instead of on the verge of spewing, but if the Ravy is going to be drawn out, please let it be Ivy/F while Rachel chases after some tool that's clearly wrong for her? Please, Kim? Please? *is so scared that I'm going to have to read Ivy/Davidness in White Witch, Black Curse* I'm begging, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to sit through some puke inducing fuckery in Book 7.

3. Oh, Kim. You giveth and you taketh away. First the orgasm!biting scene of awesome, followed by the coffee cart scene of Let's be platonic friends. *sigh*

Actually, I don't hate where Rachel and Ivy are at this point in time, because I don't really believe they'll be able to maintain this equilibrium for long. Ivy is still totally in love with her and Rachel still has conflicted feelings about her feelings for Ivy. It's pretty much the same as they were before, only Rachel isn't constantly sticking a rusty pin into the open wound that is their 'friendship' by asking to be bitten (and then not putting out) all the time.

4. Ivy continues to be a dreamy motherfucker. Seriously. Lounging around all sexy like reading her magazines about how to leave your shadow begging and breathing. Slinking around scaring any man that comes near Rachel. OMG, the bag of stuff that she put together for Rachel's trip into the ever-after = awwwww x 1000. She's such a good girlfriend. OMG, the sign warning Rachel that she's leaving hallowed ground (she knows Rachel's an idiot but loves her anyway).

Also, Ivy's heart break at Rachel covering up her bite marks made me all misty eyed. The whole, 'you're ashamed of me' conversation was sad-making. Especially since if anyone should be ashamed of anyone it should Ivy being ashamed of Ms. Buses Won't Pick Me Up Anymore Morgan. Her joy at realizing that Rachel was staying with her because she likes her and not because of wanting blood trysts was also a really beautiful moment.

5. Ceri x Quen = cute. Trent = douche.

6. Alice Morgan is pretty fucking hilarious. I really loved how she was all, "Of course you're vampire roomate bites you! How else is she suppose to show she cares?" about the Rachel/Ivy kitchen biting debacle. I also think that Rachel should sit down with her mom on a regular basis (as well as Al now) and learn how to be a good witch. Seriously, it seems to be like everyone is better trained than her and she's just lucky she's got demon blood in her cause she'd have died years ago without it.

7. I like that Rachel is trying to be smarter, even though she hasn't really succeeded in being any smarter. It's good to have goals.

And, it looks like I'm out of things to ramble about now so ... *thinks of other ways to procrastinate*

Date: 2009-02-01 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wishing-wounds.livejournal.com
The next one comes out on the 28th. You won't have to wait too long. :D

I love Rachel's mother so much, I really do.

Date: 2009-02-01 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm excited about it. I would have taken longer to read the rest of the series if the new one wasn't coming out so soon. A few weeks break is a perfect amount of time for me to get refreshed and then be ready to jump in all over again.

I love Rachel's mother so much, I really do.

Alice is win. I really like her as well. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing more of her.

Date: 2009-02-01 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wishing-wounds.livejournal.com
I love in one of the earlier novels that she said she suspected Rachel was a lesbian. Mothers know everything.

Date: 2009-02-01 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
lol, so true.

Alice supporting Rachel and Ivy's relationship even after Rachel came running to her after being bitten tells me that she must suspect there's something more going on there too.

Really, Rachel talks about her mom being crazy, but Alice is like 10x smarter than her. Listen to your mom, Rachel! Moms know best (just don't let them pick your class schedule or you'll have 9 o'clock classes every day your first year of Uni!)

Also, I'm sure Alice knowing that Ivy and Rachel were planning on dressing up as vampire lovers for Halloween did nothing to further the idea that her daughter is gay as an easter frock. And, despite the fact that Alice said 'you'll find the right man' at the end of ODW, the person she described that would be right for Rachel was Ivy to a tee, and I think Alice is smart enough to have realized that.

Date: 2009-02-01 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com
I know! :D

I'm taking that Tuesday off from work *nods*

Date: 2009-02-01 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] breakism.livejournal.com
Also, Ivy's heart break at Rachel covering up her bite marks made me all misty eyed.

I knoooooow! Me too!

Date: 2009-02-01 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I LOVED that scene. I just wanted to hug, Ivy so much. She loves Rachel so much. She was like a wet kitten in that scene, just too heartbreaking and precious for words.

Date: 2009-02-01 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] breakism.livejournal.com
Agreed. That was just rich.

Oh god, I am having naughty thoughts of Ivy and one of my favorite Japanese theater actresses (my icon). Oh, they would be so hot, lol.

Date: 2009-02-02 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I am having naughty thoughts of Ivy and one of my favorite Japanese theater actresses (my icon). Oh, they would be so hot

Ivy and any female would be hot. I'm thinking of Ivy and like Rhona Mitra together right now, and it's like almost hot enough to blow my brain apart.

Also, Jessica Stam (http://www.piercemattie.com/fashionprdivision/jessica%20stam.jpg) is pretty much my mental image for Ivy, which makes Ivy/Skimmer (with Maggie Q as Ivy) hot as hell in my mind.

Date: 2009-02-02 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] breakism.livejournal.com
Ivy and any female would be hot.

Yes and Ivy and Mizu Natsuki = oh em gee!!! Just look at the poster for Elisabeth. Mizu is the "man" with the white hair. Yes, she does male roles. Oh yes. She can sing, dance, and act like nobody's business. I am in LOVE with her, lol.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/exitnine/Elisabeth_New_Snow.jpg

Date: 2009-02-02 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madndizzee.livejournal.com
thinking of Ivy and like Rhona Mitra together right now, and it's like almost hot enough to blow my brain apart.

omg! *nosebleed* awesome image!

wow who's this Jessica Stam? that's a stunning pic.

Date: 2009-02-02 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
omg! *nosebleed* awesome image!

I know, right. lol. You need to like sit down after thinking that!


wow who's this Jessica Stam? that's a stunning pic.


She's like one of the top models in the world (so much so that people just mostly refer to her as Stam, because there's only one Stam worth mentioning, lol). So, in a live action version she'd never work for Skimmer, but for a visual image I think she's pretty perfect for her. She's got the angelic looks, the stunning blue eyes, the blonde hair and even the slightly upturned nose.

I also think Gemma Ward (http://fashionista.com/images/Gemma%20Ward.jpg) would be a good Skimmer, and she can actually act (and is good at being innocent looking and really creepy at the same time).

Date: 2009-02-03 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gochateau.livejournal.com
Oh man... Jessica Stam as Skimmer! Wasn't she in the Victoria Secret fashion show? ... Anyway, I agree that this takes Ivy/Skimmer to another level of sexy, especially when you throw Maggie Q in as Ivy. Mmm.

You know, from now on I'm not even going to bother trying to wrack my brain for mental images of characters from the book, I'll just go ahead and ask you haha. Who haven't we covered? Jenks, maybe?

Date: 2009-02-01 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yukivampyra.livejournal.com
I'm gonna be honest and say that I just want Ivy with a girl cause there's already an overwhelming abundence of het in the series

I agree! I mean, come on! Rachel throws herself at everything male that has a pulse. Can't Ivy at least be with a girl, even if that girl isn't Rachel?

I was cool with Ivy/Skimmer. I actually like Ivy/Skimmer quite a bit

Mhm. At least Skimmer admits she cares about Ivy. I mean, the Skimmer's in jail for saving her! And Skimmer is walking sex doesn't freak about Ivy's vamp-ness every five pages because she's a vamp, too.

It's good to have goals.

Even so, it's Rachel. Her funny, and sometimes irritating, level of idiocy is just her. Even though I wish that idiocy would go away in terms of Ivy.

Date: 2009-02-01 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I mean, come on! Rachel throws herself at everything male that has a pulse. Can't Ivy at least be with a girl, even if that girl isn't Rachel?

This. A thousand times, this! Rachel pretends to be is het enough for like 10 book series. Let Ivy represent for the gays!

Mhm. At least Skimmer admits she cares about Ivy. I mean, the Skimmer's in jail for saving her!

YES! YES! YES!!!! Skimmer is, in her love for Ivy, almost Ivy level dreamy (when it comes to Rachel, that is). Carrying a torch for years, moving across the country, actually fighting for Ivy, risking her life to kill Piscary because he was hurting Ivy. It was nice to see someone treat Ivy like the desirable creature that she is. And I liked that they were on the same level rank wise (Ivy/Rynn will have that disturbing discrepancy in power, and Ivy/David will be demeaning because of David is against inter-species dating - unless it will get him some - so he'll never really respect Ivy because she's a vamp).

I mean, honestly, other than working for Piscary to be near Ivy I don't see HOW Skimmer was so evil. It's like, I'm sure Skimmer could have calmed her excessive vamp tendancies a little bit to keep Ivy.

And Skimmer is walking sex

This. Skimmer was sexy as fuck, and together she and Ivy were hot hot sex.

Even though I wish that idiocy would go away in terms of Ivy.

This. I love how like the ONE grown-up decision she makes in the book, screws Ivy over. It's like she'll leave hallowed ground to make tea, she leaves the church after sunset to see Quen, she goes into the ever-after twice. She makes Rachel decisions (i.e. stupid ones) for the whole book, EXCEPT for when it comes to the Ivy situation. *le sigh*

Date: 2009-02-01 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaina47.livejournal.com
1. Okay, for the beginning...was I the only one who just kind of goggled at Rachel's audacity in wanting to dress up for Halloween as Ivy's lover?

2. I also found David/Ivy incredibly bizarre because it was like it was completely out of nowhere. I mean, what?

4. I know a lot of people hated that scene, but I liked the fact that they actually talked it out. I'm hoping, however unrealistically, that it will let their relationship grow in this next book. I really cannot wait for the stupid thing to come out!

Date: 2009-02-01 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
1. Okay, for the beginning...was I the only one who just kind of goggled at Rachel's audacity in wanting to dress up for Halloween as Ivy's lover?


Oh, I know. That was really rich coming from her. Her subconscious mind at work. Like seriously, that's not even subtle. It's like "Shut up! I don't want to have sex with Ivy. I just want to dress up in leather and pretend to want to have sex with her for one evening! Why does that make you think I want her? And ... and ... how is shopping together for costumes so that I can see how she looks in leather's bustiers strike you as gay????"

2. I also found David/Ivy incredibly bizarre because it was like it was completely out of nowhere. I mean, what?

I know! It's like in Book 5 they didn't even speak to each other, and all of a sudden Ivy is throwing herself at him???? WHAT? Does not compute! I mean it's a sick and wrong world where David gets to turn down someone as super awesome as Ivy, but I hope that his complete lack of interest really means that they won't happen in Book 7.

4. I know a lot of people hated that scene, but I liked the fact that they actually talked it out. I'm hoping, however unrealistically, that it will let their relationship grow in this next book.

This is exactly how I feel about it. They needed to talk about some of this stuff. And Ivy realizing that Rachel actually does like her as a person seems like an important thing to me. She really needed to hear that. Also, later in the book when Rachel triggered her instincts and freaked out about it, I liked that Ivy talked to her and was like "chill, it's going to happen. Just give me time to get my shit together afterwards and we'll be fine." That talk needed to happen too, and couldn't have without the earlier one.

I'm really hoping that we get to see a deeper bond form between them too. If we see a really strong and deepening friendship between them (I liked all the hugs in this one, and I'm hoping some more casual touches will happen in the next one) then I don't mind if the Ravy is more subtextual. Let them build on this minor setback, so that they'll be able to build something stronger that will last together.

Date: 2009-02-02 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaina47.livejournal.com
I mean it's a sick and wrong world where David gets to turn down someone as super awesome as Ivy, but I hope that his complete lack of interest really means that they won't happen in Book 7.

I'm hoping that David's eh what's the word, species prejudice? Will stop that from happening. Because, of course, Rachel already drooled over him but pointed out that he wasn't interested because he's a Were and she's not.

(I liked all the hugs in this one, and I'm hoping some more casual touches will happen in the next one) then I don't mind if the Ravy is more subtextual. Let them build on this minor setback, so that they'll be able to build something stronger that will last together.

That would be so awesome. One of my favorite parts was when Rachel got back from the Ever After and Ivy just ran out to see her and Rachel just really, really needed a hug and all their crap just didn't matter. She needed that contact. Yeah. *g*

Date: 2009-02-02 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I'm hoping that David's eh what's the word, species prejudice?

Yeah, which is why I'm surprised that it was even brought up as a possibility. Then again, David has been shown to be a bit of a hypocrite about that because he sleeps with human woman. Also, now that Serena and Kally (or whatever her name is) ARE members of his pack, he'd be a huge douche to like shove them to the side to get some from Ivy. And honestly, Ivy must know about his species prejudice so it just makes her look like a real Rachel to be interested in him (and that's not a compliment).

One of my favorite parts was when Rachel got back from the Ever After and Ivy just ran out to see her and Rachel just really, really needed a hug and all their crap just didn't matter. She needed that contact.

Yeah, I loved that moment too. I want to see more of that. Them being their for each other. I'd really love it if Book 7 had like almost NO Ravy angst. I want to see them just plain getting along, or at least without any dire life or death moments. Show the friendship, like we see Rachel's friendship with Jenks.

Date: 2009-02-01 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madndizzee.livejournal.com
LOL I love your manip! totally agree with 1 and 2. Skimmer will apparently make an appearance in book 7 so we'll see. i don't like Rynn with Ivy at all. no matter what Ivy says, it still smacks of her being taken advantaged of.

orgasm!biting scene of awesome

that got me through the idiocy of Rachel/Marshall and Rachel running scared again.

Lounging around all sexy like reading her magazines about how to leave your shadow begging and breathing.

lol i loved that! i can so see her doing that and Rachel's eyes widening and being secretly turned on.

bag of stuff that she put together for Rachel's trip into the ever-after = awwwww x 1000. sign warning Rachel that she's leaving hallowed ground

oh i know! i was totally thinking what a great girlfriend she is and how blind Rachel is. who else would be thoughtful and caring enough to do this for her?! yeah, poor Ivy thinking Rachel was ashamed of her bites was heartbreaking. thank goodness they cleared that up. sad Ivy is not on.

heh yeah, Rachel's mom is awesome! why she isn't learning witchery from her mom i don't know. i think Rachel trying to be smart is like Pandora slamming the lid on Hope. like not letting Ivy bite her 'cause she's afraid of being bound is just silly; as if Ivy'd bind her deliberately. Ivy loves/respects Rachel as she is (bumbling idiocy and all). she wouldn't want to make Rachel a puppet. although i wonder if it's actually possible to do that, Rachel is demon kin and you can't bind demons, right? maybe since she's related it won't affect her all the way. Rachel's not a normal witch so who knows what'll happen.

Date: 2009-02-02 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Skimmer will apparently make an appearance in book 7 so we'll see.

Well, since the goal of the books seems to be to like anally rape Ivy at least once, Skimmer will probably get out of jail, declare that she will change her ways for Ivy, they have hot makeup sex (which we don't see, but Rachel eludes to bitchily because she's jealous but won't admit it) and then Skimmer will die and either become a cold undead that Ivy can't love, or just a corpse, which again Ivy can't love. Ivy will be miserable, and the trend of the last 6 books continues.

Who's bitter? Certainly you can't be looking at me?

i don't like Rynn with Ivy at all. no matter what Ivy says, it still smacks of her being taken advantaged of.

I completely agree with this. It's just Piscary all over again. Piscary was charming too, and he was an evil bastard. Just as Rynn likely is. In her vamp guide, K.H. even says the more charming an undead is the more wary you should be. Rynn/Ivy just seems like a way to degrade and torture her more and I was over the Ivy Misery Train before it even begun. It cannot end well. If Ivy really was just using him to practice so that she could be ready for Rachel, then fine. But do NOT make her smitten or fall in love with him. It will only lead to more pain, and quite frankly she's had more than her share.

I hate David, whereas I don't really feel one way or the other about Rynn yet. But both relationships are horrible options. Horrible.

through the idiocy of Rachel/Marshall and Rachel running scared again.

Ugh. Just ugh. I skipped more of the Rachel/Marshall stuff after Rachel's visit to Alice. I just couldn't handle it.

i can so see her doing that and Rachel's eyes widening and being secretly turned on.

THIS!

i was totally thinking what a great girlfriend she is and how blind Rachel is. who else would be thoughtful and caring enough to do this for her?!

Oh, I know. Actually I have to say, Rachel's reaction to the sign thing made me want to punch her in the face. Like that she had the gall to be offended just because Ivy rightly called her stupidity by putting it up there. The fact that she disregarded the sign and ended up being attacked by a demon because of it, just really made me want to poke her multiple times with a sharp object.

This whole book was really the book of Ivy being a dreamy motherfucker. It has been established that NO ONE ELSE IS CAPABLE OF PUTTING UP WITH RACHEL'S SHIT!

why she isn't learning witchery from her mom i don't know.

It's because it would be the smart, sensible thing to do, and we all know that Rachel is incapable of the doing anything that's smart or sensible.

not letting Ivy bite her 'cause she's afraid of being bound is just silly; as if Ivy'd bind her deliberately. Ivy loves/respects Rachel as she is (bumbling idiocy and all). she wouldn't want to make Rachel a puppet.

This. I mean, Rachel's reasoning about not being bound is really incredibly insulting to Ivy. Ivy has literally put her body and her soul on the line for Rachel, more than once, and by saying that she's afraid Ivy will bind her, Rachel is effectively saying that she wouldn't put herself on the line body and soul for Ivy. She's shutting out the one person who would literally do ANYTHING for her, but then she'll go and risk her life in the ever-after for the likes of Trent. *throws hands up in the air*

And honestly, if Ivy bound Rachel, it would probably be a GOOD thing. It would mean that other vamps couldn't manipulate Rachel's scar, and Ivy being Ivy ensures that as long as she has a soul that Ivy would never abuse that bond. Rachel would be safer bound to Ivy. And it would also give her an incentive to try and find a way to save Ivy's soul (instead of just bitching about how hard it is) since it would also ensure that she would also have a loving Ivy, instead of an undead one, who would NOT manipulate her.

Honestly, I kind of want Ivy to find a nice girl in Book 7, and I want Rachel to just have to see how shitty her life would be without Ivy there looking after her.

Sorry, I rambled a bit. Thinking about it is getting me all worked up again!

Date: 2009-02-02 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madndizzee.livejournal.com
Ivy will be miserable, and the trend of the last 6 books continues.

yep, most probable scenario.

Sorry, I rambled a bit. Thinking about it is getting me all worked up again!

lol no worries. your rambles are insightful and amusing so carry on. not the good kind of worked up either. ;) well, you could fix it with your fics hehe. ahem yes, not so subtle hint to write more. :P

Date: 2009-02-01 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ralphy137.livejournal.com
a girl can hope that Ravy happens in book 7. right?! right. Please Kim Please!!

Date: 2009-02-02 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I'm hoping for some Ravy, though with the fact that she still has two more books to write (maybe more) if they actually got together in Book 7 it would probably mean they won't end up together in the long run. *sigh* We're really damned if we wish, and damned if we don't with these two.

I just hope that when all is said and done they ride off into the sunset together.

Date: 2009-02-02 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ralphy137.livejournal.com
Well there definately needs to be bite/kiss scenes! Cause as much of a tease as they are they're the best bits!!

Date: 2009-02-02 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ralphy137.livejournal.com
Oh also Rachel can't really have kids now and this in my mind totally paved the way for ravy! That might just be me tho!
Edited Date: 2009-02-02 12:16 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-02-02 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's not the procreation issue could be used an excuse for them not to get together.

Frankly, they should get together and adopt a nice little witch baby. Crazy as it is, I think that Ivy would be a really good mother. She had a very nurturing instinct, and with the way she packed for Rachel and made those signs and stuff, that kids lunch would always be on the counter read for them at the crack of noon, and they'd always have coloured pencils, and paper in multicolour binders for school. Rachel would be the parent that's perpetually late picking the kid up from school, lol

Date: 2009-02-02 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ralphy137.livejournal.com
haha too right!! Two kick ass parents and some coloured pencils what more could a kid want!
From: [identity profile] lost-dreamer23.livejournal.com
:O
Your ramblings make me happy inside.

...not much else to say, since I'm sick in bed and haven't had time to go out and buy the rest of the series, but hey =/
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I'm glad I could entertain you a little, especially since you're sick.

I hope you feel better soon. The series will still be there when you're feeling better and are ready to read :D

Date: 2009-02-02 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] murasaki1200.livejournal.com
I actually quite liked the last book storywise, but I'm getting to the point where I cringe every time KH writes about Rachel/Ivy (blood balance, ambiguous friendship, dealing with each other's boyfriends etc...), because for the most part it seems pretty senseless the way Rachel treats Ivy and I can't stand all the bad stuff that KH is heaping on Ivy.
I'd rather KH back off and just had them be roomates and partners and spare us the unending teasing.
The universe it self is interesting enough to stand on its own without Ravy. And if we could be spared Rachel's boy toys too, that'd be swell.

The way I read it, it's pretty obvious that Rachel is going to go out and get herself pregnant sometime in the future, just because it would be a big mistake. Kinda par for the course for Rachel, and that's part of what makes reading these books fun.

Date: 2009-02-02 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
but I'm getting to the point where I cringe every time KH writes about Rachel/Ivy (blood balance, ambiguous friendship, dealing with each other's boyfriends etc...)

Yeah, I totally get where you're coming from here. The endless angst train is really wearing thin. It's like every one of their interactions doesn't have to be fraught with tension. I'd be perfectly fine with scenes of them interacting as friendships without shoehorning some dire sexual/blood thing in there. Sometimes it's really hard to figure out why their friends when all they do is terrify/hurt each other.

I can't stand all the bad stuff that KH is heaping on Ivy.

This really bothers me too. Especially since Ivy is the one who makes ALL of the sacrifices. The only sacrifice Rachel makes is staying at the church, which isn't a freaking sacrifice at all. And Ivy's put her body and soul on the line for Rachel numerous times. It's at the point where some Rachel/Ivy scenes make Rachel seem like a real asshole, like just selfish and cruel.

I honestly don't know how Ivy manages it. Kisten talked about how it was the trust Rachel gave Ivy that kept her there. But I don't actually see a heck of a lot of trust coming from Rachel. For books and books she would flinch away whenever Ivy came near her, she refused to let Ivy bite her for a long time, and now she's back to showing very little trust by not allowing a blood balance because she's afraid of being bound (which is saying she doesn't trust Ivy to keep her word and not bind her. And, that if she were bound to Ivy accidentally that she believes that Ivy would misuse the bond).

The universe it self is interesting enough to stand on its own without Ravy. And if we could be spared Rachel's boy toys too, that'd be swell.

Yeah, if we're going to be spared Ravy, then I need to be spared the boy toys, because they wear on me just as much as the Ravy angst. I think that's why I have really fond memories of the first book, because it was a lot of plot and little romance. The books that are really heavy on the romance (Book 3 and the beginning of Book 6 in particular) have been hard for me to get through.

it's pretty obvious that Rachel is going to go out and get herself pregnant sometime in the future, just because it would be a big mistake.

Oh god. I hadn't even thought of this. I'm so scared now because I think you're right. *sobs* Brutal! Brutal! It's so totally going to happen. Oh god, I just want to save Ivy from the insanity that is Rachel Morgan. What a dumb, canicula. Knowing our luck it'll probably be Trent or Al's baby, and Ivy will get raped trying to stop Rynn Cormel from kidnapping it and killing it or something. *sigh*

Date: 2009-02-02 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lostingeekdom.livejournal.com
I can see the part where all the Demons start hitting on her, with the potential for pregnancy. That's the shit that scares me. That's why I'm a little ambivalent about rushing out to buy the next book on the 24th. Maybe you can go ahead and do that and tell me if it is safe to read. I just don't trust KH and her book deal extension shenanigans.

Date: 2009-02-02 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
That's why I'm a little ambivalent about rushing out to buy the next book on the 24th. Maybe you can go ahead and do that and tell me if it is safe to read.

I'm actually thinking about holding out for a while until some people from the f-list drop some reviews. This fuckers gonna be hardcover, and if I'm going to drop 20+ bucks on this book, I want to know that I'm not going to be tempted to throw it at walls every ten minutes. I'm just so scared about what this book is going to be like.

I just don't trust KH and her book deal extension shenanigans.

lol, shenanigans! It's so true though. I'm hearing she's got like a 13-15 book deal now. I'm sorry, but if that's true I call fuckery!!! I'm gonna be honest, I'm not sticking around for 15 fucking books of this. That's just taking things too far. 9 books, yeah I'm totally in (if they don't make me insane), but 15 is asking too much of me.

Date: 2009-02-02 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ic1pher.livejournal.com
Oh god. I hadn't even thought of this. I'm so scared now because I think you're right. *sobs* Brutal! Brutal! It's so totally going to happen. Oh god, I just want to save Ivy from the insanity that is Rachel Morgan. What a dumb, canicula. Knowing our luck it'll probably be Trent or Al's baby, and Ivy will get raped trying to stop Rynn Cormel from kidnapping it and killing it or something. *sigh*
Yes, but through some magical mishap it's actually Ivy's DNA that gets Rachel pregnant... ;o

Date: 2009-02-02 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Yes, but through some magical mishap it's actually Ivy's DNA that gets Rachel pregnant... ;o

This would be the only thing that could save a demon pregnancy storyline for me. Which of course means that it's completely out of the realm of possibility. Still, it's a nice thought to comfort myself with *le sigh*

Date: 2009-02-02 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh god. I hadn't even thought of this. I'm so scared now because I think you're right. *sobs* Brutal! Brutal! It's so totally going to happen. Oh god, I just want to save Ivy from the insanity that is Rachel Morgan. What a dumb, canicula. Knowing our luck it'll probably be Trent or Al's baby, and Ivy will get raped trying to stop Rynn Cormel from kidnapping it and killing it or something. *sigh*

OH. FUCK. NO.

That'll totally happen.

I'll bet that Rachel has a baby that (somehow or another) is demon/semi-demon/the prophecised savior. Naturally the witches, elves, demons, weres and humans will be falling all over themselves to kidnap/kill/mate with the CHOSEN ONE. Rachel will be all NO, ITS MINE, BITCHES, and oh I love the kid, such cute eyes and etc and actually I'm not too bad a mother, but the whole world is after me so I must angst about what to do with my baby. Then KH WILL KILL IVY TWICE TO SAVE THE KID (AND RACHEL'S WORLD). And Rachel will somehow or another end up with her heterosexual happy ever after and sometimes place blood-stained daisies on Ivy's grave which is next to Jenk's and Matalina's in a meadow of sunflowers.

Oh no. Now I'm totally convinced that it'll happen! It sounds entirely too plausible!

Date: 2009-02-02 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Then KH WILL KILL IVY TWICE TO SAVE THE KID (AND RACHEL'S WORLD). And Rachel will somehow or another end up with her heterosexual happy ever after and sometimes place blood-stained daisies on Ivy's grave which is next to Jenk's and Matalina's in a meadow of sunflowers.

*SOBS* Oh god, I could see this happening! *SOBS LOUDER*

You're scenario is SO scary, because it seems so plausible.

I'm gonna go on the record and say the moment Ivy dies, this series is dead to me (twice). And if Kim tries to pull any fuckery that makes me hate Ivy, I'm through. Ivy is sacred and I will not stand for K.H's shenanigans!

Date: 2009-02-02 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seriousfic.livejournal.com
You know what's interesting about Marshall? Nothing.

Date: 2009-02-02 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
You know what's interesting about Marshall? Nothing.

The gospel truth.

Marshall = Thou whoreson Zed! Thou unnecessary letter!

Date: 2009-02-02 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ic1pher.livejournal.com
Yeah, the whole Ivy/David thing is ridiculous. Completely out of nowhere. Only logical reason I can think of why Ivy would do that is to make Rachel jealous or to try to distract herself, because too much love is starting to hurt.

...and yes, Ivy needs to be with a woman and not a man. There's way too much het in the books already. Also being with a woman, it would probably drive Rachel mad with jealousy, even if she didn't herself realize it.

Date: 2009-02-02 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Only logical reason I can think of why Ivy would do that is to make Rachel jealous or to try to distract herself, because too much love is starting to hurt.

Yeah, but you'd think Ivy could find someone better than DAVID to distract herself with. I'd imagine half of Cincy would be more than happy to be her distraction. I'm all for Ivy getting some, just not from DAVID! UGH! (or Rynn)

There's way too much het in the books already. Also being with a woman, it would probably drive Rachel mad with jealousy, even if she didn't herself realize it.

This! Rachel was crazy jealous of Skimmer. I totally enjoyed their catfight over Ivy. It was like one of the few only times I've seen Rachel fight for Ivy.

Date: 2009-02-02 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank fuck you finally finished it, I hate spoiling people and I wouldn't have liked to spoil you in my anonymous comments (especially since you provide us with hot lovely, awesome Ravy fic).

I was so pissed with Rachel by the end of the book, seriously. She needs to fucking grow up and stop being so ridiculous. I don't know if I can bring myself to read the next one, because Ivy/David makes me throw up. The idea of a supposedly "hot" MALE werewolf being the romantic Deus Ex Machina that will bring the bisexual female back to the hetero side is honestly sickening. It's also terribly contrived. As if hormones can compete with TRUE LOVE (which is obviously what Ivy and Rachel have).

Also, all the males in the book (except Jenks and Al, now that Kisten is dead and Nick gone) are completely irrelevant. Like, seriously. None of them are interested in the welfare of the stupid heroine, or how she leads her life (without sense). If not for their penises - that will REAFFIRM RACHEL'S OBVIOUS HETERONESS - I honestly doubt that they serve a purpose in the plot.

OK, I'm obviously too invested in the books and Ravy.

Keep writing!! Your fic, it is teh wonderful.

Date: 2009-02-02 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I was so pissed with Rachel by the end of the book, seriously. She needs to fucking grow up and stop being so ridiculous.

Yeah, I know. Her whole, "I'm going to be smart, S-M-R-T" thing this book was ridiculous. She was just as dumb as ever. The only thing she managed to do was make Ivy feel like shit and cock-block the fuck out of her AGAIN! UGH!

I don't know if I can bring myself to read the next one, because Ivy/David makes me throw up.

I'm hoping Kim was just on crack when she threw Ivy/David hints out there. Like she just had a really nice afternoon with the Mary Jane and then realized the error of her ways.

I'm seriously thinking of waiting for a few reviews to come in before I lay down 20+ bucks on the new one though. I really don't want to spend that much money just to be pissed off.

The idea of a supposedly "hot" MALE werewolf being the romantic Deus Ex Machina that will bring the bisexual female back to the hetero side is honestly sickening. It's also terribly contrived.

This is why I want Ivy to be with a woman. I'm just sick of bisexuals in media always being hooked up with men. Ivy especially seems to have completely shit taste in men (Piscary, Rynn, David ugh) and should just stay away from them. Say want you want about Skimmer, but Skimmer loved Ivy and treated her 1000x better than any of the men named above did (or are likely to).

If not for their penises - that will REAFFIRM RACHEL'S OBVIOUS HETERONESS - I honestly doubt that they serve a purpose in the plot.


This. What sucks is that Kim is completely in love with her boring male creations, and is particularly enamored with the most loathsome of them (Trent and Al) which means we're probably going to have tons of these two PLUS some new jacked up love interest for Rachel. *sigh* I miss the days when Ivy was Kim's favorite to write *Montage of Book 1 set to "Memories"*

A little hope...

Date: 2009-02-02 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I remember a comment on KH's website stating that Ivy would most likely have a F/F happy ending. It'll probably not be Ravy, but I guess you'll be thrown your proverbial femslasher bone...

What I'm really afraid of is that KH will create a character that we'll know next to nothing about (i.e., Skimmer) and just end up saying "And Ivy and she lived happily ever after. Really, they did, even if it feels cheap and unfinished." I hope we'll at least get an Ivy-centric short with her sweetheart, whoever she (hopefully) will be.

But as long as you write fanfic, I can handle every disappointment KH throws at us... *subtle hint* ;)

Savior

Date: 2009-02-05 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elatxc.livejournal.com
Can't wait for the next book which I am going to have to get shipped from the USA cos I can't wait until October/November when it gets released in the UK!!! The last book was released in the UK before the US by mistake I think not that I was complaining!!

Date: 2009-02-05 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miims.livejournal.com
e-books are much faster =)
some stores even notify you when they have the book. or THE BOOK

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