And that's a good thing?

[fembuck]

Okay, so putting aside the fact that I lurve the Khase for a moment, I just can't understand the arugments made by Marcus/Krista shipper's as to why the relationship is so dreamy and wonderful. I can understand the people's who's argument for like Krista/Marcus is "I like bad boys and Marcus is hot and I like the dysfunctionality of it" because they're admitting the M/K relationship is screwed up and dark but they find that interesting. Marcus is a good looking guy and appeal of bad boy/girls is totally understandable (see: my undying love for Chase).


"I don't have a problem with Marcus and Krista, despite the awful things he has done to her. There are plenty of real world examples of abusive relationships or of lovers hurting one another."

Um, and that's a good thing? Just because people are in abusive relationships in real life that's no reason that it should be celebrated on tv even if the characters are vampires! I mean really. Should the show turn a pimp (cause he did whore Chase out ya'll)/dealer/abusive boyfriend into leading man? Hell to the no. That argument right there is all that needs to be said against Marcus/Krista. If you want to show how horrible Marcus is and how he should be reviled and ashed for treating Krista that way, okay, but he should not been written/presented as some swoon worthy leading man when by the M/K's shipper's own acknowledgement he's an abuser and they're in an abusive relationship

*mind boogles*

"Plus it speaks to the conflicted nature and emotions of Krista right now."

Once again, this makes him seem even more reprehensible. She's confused and vulnerable and he's exploiting that. I mean perhaps if he had turned her away two episodes ago citing that neither of them were in the right frame of mind, or that it was just the visions and bloodlust that were making her act that way, it might have at least set the stage for Marcus seeming like he actually cared about Krista instead of just wanted to bang her. But he doesn't do that, he just takes what he wants like always by exploiting the uncertainty and vulnerablity in her that he was responsible for. And that's a good thing?


"But let's be honest, Marcus and Krista have both done a lot more than have sex-which was one time. But look at all the development and things that have happened to each over the season, way before the role in the hay."

Yeah, a lot more has happened between them. Like he killed her twin brother, he had her kidnapped, strapped her down and forcibly injected her with his blood before throwing her off a building. Then once he had successfully turned her into a blood craving addict his first gift to her was to have her kill a man, and then after that he showed a complete lack of common curtesy by constantly busting in on her while she was half dressed. But he DIDN'T want to bothered helping her transition other that making long ass speeches, instead he gave that job to his assistant to do because it was boring and he didn't care as long as Chase got Krista in a bloodlust froth that would lead her to his bed. Then he sends her on missions where she might die, but doesn't really have any meaningful conversations with her. And then when she's clearly having serious problems he beats her, drugs her, forces memories upon her and sleeps with her.

Yeah, that's tons of development. Though mostly that development has been developing Marcus as as evil, selfish prick instead of developing a real relationship between him and Krista. And that evil, selfish prick development applies to his relationship with Chase as well, so it's really an all around prickitude instead of just with Krista.

"They've both changed, and their tryst will change them more."

Yep, Krista became a blood thirsty killer that was out hunting people. And Marcus ... didn't change at all. Apparently after they got busy Krista just left and he was all 'smell ya later' without asking where she was going because he had no clue where she was when Chase dropped by to see him. He might have seemed like he gave a shit if he'd asked "Is Krista back from hunting yet, I haven't seen her" but instead he had absolutely no idea what was going on.

"Krista and Marcus's revelations have shed more light on their characters and set them up to go in different directions."

Yeah, like showing us that Krista should run in the opposite direction to wherever Marcus is going if she doesn't want to continue being victimized and exploited.

Like call me silly, this argument makes me hate the ship even more instead of drawing me over to the darkside.

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[trancer21.livejournal.com]

The difference is that Blade doesn't pretend that this is love or about concern.

I'd argue just the opposite. Blade has shown he cares for Krista.. more than she should. I think he's operating from a deep sense of guilt which is why, at this point in time, Krista's not a smoking pile of ash, which she should be. It's just Blade shows his concern the only way he knows how - as a warrior. That and, like you said, he has the social skills of a gnat. Killing vamps is the only life he's known. There is no other way as far as Blade's concerned. If he hasn't given her a motivational speech it's because he doesn't believe he has to. As far as Blade's concerned, which side to choose is a no-brainer - 'get with the program or get ashed'.

I suppose I should note I'm a closet Blade/Krista shipper. The Big Guy needs some lovin' too, dammit. If Blade's not softening up to Krista, it's not because he can't or hasn't. It's because Krista's living with Marcus 24/7. Doesn't make him any less of a douche, but still, he's a better option than Marcus.

[thelana.livejournal.com]

Oh, I totally agree that Blade has been softer with her. Hehe, and you and me, we probably are the only two closet Blade/Krista shippers out there :)

But it's just that with Blade softening only goes far. Which is why he can't back off the "get with the program or get ashed" even if he does like her/feels guilt over Zach. Protocol always comes first if possible.

Either way, I am hoping for some more major Krista/Blade interaction next season. I'll take antagonistic friendship and weapon buddies if I can't get shippy.

But yeah, the point is that Marcus waxes on poetically when he is using her. While Blade is really upfront about her purpose, maybe even too upfront. Which of course... hurts for the person.

If he hasn't given her a motivational speech it's because he doesn't believe he has to.

I really like that idea. Must be nice for him to meet somebody who might share his ideology. Or just be in the same situation as him when it comes to battling the thirst. Which really, is all Blade is about (reinforced again by his mini speech to Krista and him saying that killing vamps is the only thing that makes him feel better => Blade one screwed up mofo. Like we didn't know that since his vision about his own mom killing him.).

Though even if he doesn't think Krista agrees with his believes anyway, maybe for him the whole concept is either something you understand or if you don't then he can't help you. Like it is something that shouldn't need convincing from the outside.

[trancer21.livejournal.com]

Which is why he can't back off the "get with the program or get ashed" even if he does like her/feels guilt over Zach.

I think he can't back down because the consequences are too dire if he does. Give Krista an inch and, well, she's vamping her Mom, sleeping with the enemy and about to snack on some humans. He's like a voluntary Atlas, carrying the world on his shoulders because he doesn't think anyone else is capable of sharing the weight. Then there's his self-loathing, he can't back down because if Blade does, he becomes the monster he hates.

Must be nice for him to meet somebody who might share his ideology.

Except, even when he does meet people who share his ideology, he holds them at arms length, ref. Blade: Trinity and the Nightstalkers or even Shen. Something I wish the show would delve into a little more. Despite his stoic and taciturn ways, Blade definitely has layers.

Dammit, now I need a Krista/Blade icon!

[thelana.livejournal.com]

Then there's his self-loathing, he can't back down because if Blade does, he becomes the monster he hates.

And in fighting those monsters, he suppresses almost everything that makes him human. Making the vamps, who at least love and hate and have fun come off as more human than he is.

Hah, I could write whole essays about how wonderfully screwed up Blade is. I certainly find him an interesting character on paper. :)

Except, even when he does meet people who share his ideology, he holds them at arms length, ref. Blade: Trinity and the Nightstalkers or even Shen.

I think he is just completely entrenched in this war mentality, where people are going down left and right (at least in his mind) and he figures that there is no point in getting attached to anybody because they are all going to die sooner or later anyway (including him). And that any emotional ties make you weak and you and them a target. And Blade is all about suppressing from everything that could make him weak or dependant (like this thirst).

Or course forgetting that he does depend on others. For one he has this uncurable lack of people skills and he will always need people like Shen to help him out with that. Yeah, he does try to pretend that he doesn't need people skills or that his other abilities (like strenght) make up for it, but in the end he is going to run into situation where that just isn't enough.