And that's a good thing?

[fembuck]

Okay, so putting aside the fact that I lurve the Khase for a moment, I just can't understand the arugments made by Marcus/Krista shipper's as to why the relationship is so dreamy and wonderful. I can understand the people's who's argument for like Krista/Marcus is "I like bad boys and Marcus is hot and I like the dysfunctionality of it" because they're admitting the M/K relationship is screwed up and dark but they find that interesting. Marcus is a good looking guy and appeal of bad boy/girls is totally understandable (see: my undying love for Chase).


"I don't have a problem with Marcus and Krista, despite the awful things he has done to her. There are plenty of real world examples of abusive relationships or of lovers hurting one another."

Um, and that's a good thing? Just because people are in abusive relationships in real life that's no reason that it should be celebrated on tv even if the characters are vampires! I mean really. Should the show turn a pimp (cause he did whore Chase out ya'll)/dealer/abusive boyfriend into leading man? Hell to the no. That argument right there is all that needs to be said against Marcus/Krista. If you want to show how horrible Marcus is and how he should be reviled and ashed for treating Krista that way, okay, but he should not been written/presented as some swoon worthy leading man when by the M/K's shipper's own acknowledgement he's an abuser and they're in an abusive relationship

*mind boogles*

"Plus it speaks to the conflicted nature and emotions of Krista right now."

Once again, this makes him seem even more reprehensible. She's confused and vulnerable and he's exploiting that. I mean perhaps if he had turned her away two episodes ago citing that neither of them were in the right frame of mind, or that it was just the visions and bloodlust that were making her act that way, it might have at least set the stage for Marcus seeming like he actually cared about Krista instead of just wanted to bang her. But he doesn't do that, he just takes what he wants like always by exploiting the uncertainty and vulnerablity in her that he was responsible for. And that's a good thing?


"But let's be honest, Marcus and Krista have both done a lot more than have sex-which was one time. But look at all the development and things that have happened to each over the season, way before the role in the hay."

Yeah, a lot more has happened between them. Like he killed her twin brother, he had her kidnapped, strapped her down and forcibly injected her with his blood before throwing her off a building. Then once he had successfully turned her into a blood craving addict his first gift to her was to have her kill a man, and then after that he showed a complete lack of common curtesy by constantly busting in on her while she was half dressed. But he DIDN'T want to bothered helping her transition other that making long ass speeches, instead he gave that job to his assistant to do because it was boring and he didn't care as long as Chase got Krista in a bloodlust froth that would lead her to his bed. Then he sends her on missions where she might die, but doesn't really have any meaningful conversations with her. And then when she's clearly having serious problems he beats her, drugs her, forces memories upon her and sleeps with her.

Yeah, that's tons of development. Though mostly that development has been developing Marcus as as evil, selfish prick instead of developing a real relationship between him and Krista. And that evil, selfish prick development applies to his relationship with Chase as well, so it's really an all around prickitude instead of just with Krista.

"They've both changed, and their tryst will change them more."

Yep, Krista became a blood thirsty killer that was out hunting people. And Marcus ... didn't change at all. Apparently after they got busy Krista just left and he was all 'smell ya later' without asking where she was going because he had no clue where she was when Chase dropped by to see him. He might have seemed like he gave a shit if he'd asked "Is Krista back from hunting yet, I haven't seen her" but instead he had absolutely no idea what was going on.

"Krista and Marcus's revelations have shed more light on their characters and set them up to go in different directions."

Yeah, like showing us that Krista should run in the opposite direction to wherever Marcus is going if she doesn't want to continue being victimized and exploited.

Like call me silly, this argument makes me hate the ship even more instead of drawing me over to the darkside.

Comments

[zoriah.livejournal.com]

I think I hate Bangel as much as you do Spuffy. For what may be very similar reasons. *chuckles* Buffy and Angel just gave me the creeps on so many levels too. I think I dislike Angel and his sense of entitlement (be it champion status or who is more guilty) as much as you dislike Spike and his different way of dealing with the hard knocks (he did choose to have a soul not have it forced upon him as a punishment, remember). But then again maybe it's a matter of preferring differing brands of whineyness. ;)

I'll drop it though, because I could write forever on the why's and wherefore's but we should be looking at the ickiness of Karcus *wink* so...

I think we can safely say that Marcus is a manipulating sod, who is using Krista as a substitute for his lost wife, and as a fuck of the month, and most likely knows about her involvement with Blade or suspects it. I am yet to be convinced that Marcus has come to know Krista in any way that would justify his being deeply and romantically in love with her.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

I think I hate Bangel as much as you do Spuffy. For what may be very similar reasons.

LOL. Eh, I'm not gonna defend Bangel, I disliked Bangel too for a lot of the resasons you mentioned, and HATED Angel until he got his own show because he was such a whiney-ass emo pansey boy (when he wasn't Angelus). On his own show I started to like him better, but yeah that "champion" shit bugged the hell out of me, as did his angst about not being the only vampire with a soul when Spike got one.

And I liked Spike as a character, just not with Buffy as the Spuffy. Season 6 and 7, Spike interacting with pretty much everyone else was good times (esp. Andrew and I liked him with Faith as well).

But then again maybe it's a matter of preferring differing brands of whineyness. ;)

True dat, true dat ;)

we should be looking at the ickiness of Karcus *wink* so...

Exactly! Marcus is worth than both of those guys, probably both of those guys put together. And unlike with either Bangel or Spuffy there's nothing at all redeeming about the Karcus relationship. Just death, destruction and blood. And I think the smarmy bastard does know that Krista is working with Blade (or someone) and is actually playing her on that front too. Blade might actually figure into his plans, like Blade provides a distraction unknowningly while Marcus executes his real plan, and Krista is a pawn feeding Blade false information.

I am yet to be convinced that Marcus has come to know Krista in any way that would justify his being deeply and romantically in love with her.


Word. It would take a drastic change in the way Marcus interacts with her to make me think that he actually cares about her. And even if that change comes that's not to say that Krista should be with him. Just because he loves her that doesn't mean she has to love him back (and considering that she's the one that has suffered all of the negatives it's far easier for him to get over the past then it should be for her).