And that's a good thing?

[fembuck]

Okay, so putting aside the fact that I lurve the Khase for a moment, I just can't understand the arugments made by Marcus/Krista shipper's as to why the relationship is so dreamy and wonderful. I can understand the people's who's argument for like Krista/Marcus is "I like bad boys and Marcus is hot and I like the dysfunctionality of it" because they're admitting the M/K relationship is screwed up and dark but they find that interesting. Marcus is a good looking guy and appeal of bad boy/girls is totally understandable (see: my undying love for Chase).


"I don't have a problem with Marcus and Krista, despite the awful things he has done to her. There are plenty of real world examples of abusive relationships or of lovers hurting one another."

Um, and that's a good thing? Just because people are in abusive relationships in real life that's no reason that it should be celebrated on tv even if the characters are vampires! I mean really. Should the show turn a pimp (cause he did whore Chase out ya'll)/dealer/abusive boyfriend into leading man? Hell to the no. That argument right there is all that needs to be said against Marcus/Krista. If you want to show how horrible Marcus is and how he should be reviled and ashed for treating Krista that way, okay, but he should not been written/presented as some swoon worthy leading man when by the M/K's shipper's own acknowledgement he's an abuser and they're in an abusive relationship

*mind boogles*

"Plus it speaks to the conflicted nature and emotions of Krista right now."

Once again, this makes him seem even more reprehensible. She's confused and vulnerable and he's exploiting that. I mean perhaps if he had turned her away two episodes ago citing that neither of them were in the right frame of mind, or that it was just the visions and bloodlust that were making her act that way, it might have at least set the stage for Marcus seeming like he actually cared about Krista instead of just wanted to bang her. But he doesn't do that, he just takes what he wants like always by exploiting the uncertainty and vulnerablity in her that he was responsible for. And that's a good thing?


"But let's be honest, Marcus and Krista have both done a lot more than have sex-which was one time. But look at all the development and things that have happened to each over the season, way before the role in the hay."

Yeah, a lot more has happened between them. Like he killed her twin brother, he had her kidnapped, strapped her down and forcibly injected her with his blood before throwing her off a building. Then once he had successfully turned her into a blood craving addict his first gift to her was to have her kill a man, and then after that he showed a complete lack of common curtesy by constantly busting in on her while she was half dressed. But he DIDN'T want to bothered helping her transition other that making long ass speeches, instead he gave that job to his assistant to do because it was boring and he didn't care as long as Chase got Krista in a bloodlust froth that would lead her to his bed. Then he sends her on missions where she might die, but doesn't really have any meaningful conversations with her. And then when she's clearly having serious problems he beats her, drugs her, forces memories upon her and sleeps with her.

Yeah, that's tons of development. Though mostly that development has been developing Marcus as as evil, selfish prick instead of developing a real relationship between him and Krista. And that evil, selfish prick development applies to his relationship with Chase as well, so it's really an all around prickitude instead of just with Krista.

"They've both changed, and their tryst will change them more."

Yep, Krista became a blood thirsty killer that was out hunting people. And Marcus ... didn't change at all. Apparently after they got busy Krista just left and he was all 'smell ya later' without asking where she was going because he had no clue where she was when Chase dropped by to see him. He might have seemed like he gave a shit if he'd asked "Is Krista back from hunting yet, I haven't seen her" but instead he had absolutely no idea what was going on.

"Krista and Marcus's revelations have shed more light on their characters and set them up to go in different directions."

Yeah, like showing us that Krista should run in the opposite direction to wherever Marcus is going if she doesn't want to continue being victimized and exploited.

Like call me silly, this argument makes me hate the ship even more instead of drawing me over to the darkside.

Comments

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Maybe Shen would go to the trouble of keeping Krista supplied

Shen hasn't exactly been pro-Krista though. I think if Krista walked away from the operation that Shen would be for the ashing of her, because I think he doubts that she could control her vampire nature. Of the two of them Blade has always been more 'sure' of Krista. Of course Shen might be playing devils advocate, but just like Blade hasn't spent that much time with Krista neither has Shen to become really attached to her.

Marcus definitely has her number because of the blood connection, that seems to be a fact of vampire life. Thankfully, the last ep didn't seem to be getting overly sentimental about what that meant though. Based on the previews of Chase moving in on Krista, it looks like she's not expecting Krista sleeping with Marcus to equate to undying love either, and she should know.

Yeah, Marcus didn't seem to broken up about Krista being MIA (just like he didn't seem to care when she was gone a couple eps. before turning her mother) which is a good sign as well. If he had been all concerned with her whereabouts instead of throwing out a casual "have you seen?" I might have been worried.

And I'm interested to see what Chase's motivation is for moving in on Krista. I mean it could be as simple as once she finds out that Krista slept with Marcus she feels like Krista has embraced her vamptitude enough to respond to her. Or maybe she's trying to taint Krista in Marcus' eyes by showing how fickle and easy Krista is if she responds to Chase as well. Or maybe she needs Krista's help for something and decides to try a little tenderness instead of poking her in the head and insulting her like usual. Or maybe she's trying to prove to Krista that vampires can feel that type of desire without it meaning love by making Krista desire her even though Krista doesn't like her. I don't know, but I'm looking forward to finding out.

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just like Blade hasn't spent that much time with Krista neither has Shen to become really attached to her

True. I think Shen has a soft spot for her though ("I know you can do it Krista"). In any case, I really don't see Krista staying on the serum unless she decides to join the fight for real, which may be an arc at some point.

maybe she needs Krista's help for something and decides to try a little tenderness instead of poking her in the head and insulting her like usual

But it's so much fun to see Chase poking Krista in the head and insulting her, and *then* moving in on her :D.
I'm really curious what Chase's motivation is also. It actually may be some mixture of all three plus some of the same reason Chase had to take a taste of the blood on Krista's stomach right after Marcus did it. Like, if Krista's Marcus', she's Chase's too, 'cause Marcus and Chase are tight like that.
Which goes back to: what's up with Chase and Marcus?

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

In any case, I really don't see Krista staying on the serum unless she decides to join the fight for real, which may be an arc at some point.

Totally agree. And Krista finding herself, her purpose, what she wants to do with herself and this new life she has really needs to be an arc. Because the revenge of her brother is really a moot point now (since Chase and Frederick prove that even if Krista still wanted to kill Marcus the blood in her veins/connection to Marcus would stop her from doing it), and right now she's fighting Blade's fight, and she needs to find out what she's about. I would expect that she'd eventually realize she wants to fight the same fight Blade is, but we should have a Krista arc (probably starting with her fleeing to the House of Leichen) where we get to see her realize this is what she WANTS to do, instead of just something she agreed to out of guilt or whatever.

But it's so much fun to see Chase poking Krista in the head and insulting her, and *then* moving in on her :D.

Chase poking Krista in the head is one of my all time favorite moments on the show. I can't even explain why I found it so funny, probably because Krista didn't even blink like she's so used to Chase manhandling her, poking her, pulling her hair and putting gum under her desk that it doesn't even faze her anymore.

It actually may be some mixture of all three plus some of the same reason Chase had to take a taste of the blood on Krista's stomach right after Marcus did it. Like, if Krista's Marcus', she's Chase's too, 'cause Marcus and Chase are tight like that.

BWAH! Tight like that, LOL. I never even thought about how Chase mimicked Marcus' actions (I was too busy concentrating on the fact that Chase was all stroking her stomach and licking her finger). Also, after Marcus freaked out at Chase and told her to take Krista is around is when Chase started flirting, like if Krista was worth Marcus' time then she was gonna take Krista for a ride too, lol.

Which goes back to: what's up with Chase and Marcus?

I wish to hell I know. They're relationship is so weird. I really liked trancer21's idea of them being brother and sister, because it would explain Chase's loyalty and need to please him, and it would explain why he trusts her and yet can get impatient with her and not always consider her feelings because as her brother he's kinda taking her for granted. But clearly they're not siblings. Then because of Chase's extreme loyalty and jealously there's this vibe that they might have been lovers, but Marcus shows absolutely no sexual interest in her. He kinda seems like he would call her "Pal" and slap her on the back (you know if Marcus slapped people on the back). But then he genuinely cares for her in a way like his beside vigil showed, but can be very callous towards her as well. I'd say their like friends, only he keeps her at a certain distance as well (like in episode 5 Chase still didn't know what his real plan was).

They're relationship is just so bizarre and I want to know what the hell is up with them! It's seriously starting to bug me, lol