And that's a good thing?

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Okay, so putting aside the fact that I lurve the Khase for a moment, I just can't understand the arugments made by Marcus/Krista shipper's as to why the relationship is so dreamy and wonderful. I can understand the people's who's argument for like Krista/Marcus is "I like bad boys and Marcus is hot and I like the dysfunctionality of it" because they're admitting the M/K relationship is screwed up and dark but they find that interesting. Marcus is a good looking guy and appeal of bad boy/girls is totally understandable (see: my undying love for Chase).


"I don't have a problem with Marcus and Krista, despite the awful things he has done to her. There are plenty of real world examples of abusive relationships or of lovers hurting one another."

Um, and that's a good thing? Just because people are in abusive relationships in real life that's no reason that it should be celebrated on tv even if the characters are vampires! I mean really. Should the show turn a pimp (cause he did whore Chase out ya'll)/dealer/abusive boyfriend into leading man? Hell to the no. That argument right there is all that needs to be said against Marcus/Krista. If you want to show how horrible Marcus is and how he should be reviled and ashed for treating Krista that way, okay, but he should not been written/presented as some swoon worthy leading man when by the M/K's shipper's own acknowledgement he's an abuser and they're in an abusive relationship

*mind boogles*

"Plus it speaks to the conflicted nature and emotions of Krista right now."

Once again, this makes him seem even more reprehensible. She's confused and vulnerable and he's exploiting that. I mean perhaps if he had turned her away two episodes ago citing that neither of them were in the right frame of mind, or that it was just the visions and bloodlust that were making her act that way, it might have at least set the stage for Marcus seeming like he actually cared about Krista instead of just wanted to bang her. But he doesn't do that, he just takes what he wants like always by exploiting the uncertainty and vulnerablity in her that he was responsible for. And that's a good thing?


"But let's be honest, Marcus and Krista have both done a lot more than have sex-which was one time. But look at all the development and things that have happened to each over the season, way before the role in the hay."

Yeah, a lot more has happened between them. Like he killed her twin brother, he had her kidnapped, strapped her down and forcibly injected her with his blood before throwing her off a building. Then once he had successfully turned her into a blood craving addict his first gift to her was to have her kill a man, and then after that he showed a complete lack of common curtesy by constantly busting in on her while she was half dressed. But he DIDN'T want to bothered helping her transition other that making long ass speeches, instead he gave that job to his assistant to do because it was boring and he didn't care as long as Chase got Krista in a bloodlust froth that would lead her to his bed. Then he sends her on missions where she might die, but doesn't really have any meaningful conversations with her. And then when she's clearly having serious problems he beats her, drugs her, forces memories upon her and sleeps with her.

Yeah, that's tons of development. Though mostly that development has been developing Marcus as as evil, selfish prick instead of developing a real relationship between him and Krista. And that evil, selfish prick development applies to his relationship with Chase as well, so it's really an all around prickitude instead of just with Krista.

"They've both changed, and their tryst will change them more."

Yep, Krista became a blood thirsty killer that was out hunting people. And Marcus ... didn't change at all. Apparently after they got busy Krista just left and he was all 'smell ya later' without asking where she was going because he had no clue where she was when Chase dropped by to see him. He might have seemed like he gave a shit if he'd asked "Is Krista back from hunting yet, I haven't seen her" but instead he had absolutely no idea what was going on.

"Krista and Marcus's revelations have shed more light on their characters and set them up to go in different directions."

Yeah, like showing us that Krista should run in the opposite direction to wherever Marcus is going if she doesn't want to continue being victimized and exploited.

Like call me silly, this argument makes me hate the ship even more instead of drawing me over to the darkside.

Comments

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Dammit, pressed the pose comment button by mistake! Damn you uncomfortable laptop keyboard!

here's a note that says 'name actors only' and considering the "And" title before Neil Jackson's name, *someone* thinks he's a name actor.

Now that's funny. I always wondered why Neil got the special "and" credit. He's no Anthony Head or James Purefoy to be getting singled out like that. The only thing I'd ever seen him on before this was Sugar Rush and he was just a piece of man meat on that and had like 10 lines the entire season. Name actor that does not make.

And how do I wish that they end Marcus' reign this season and introduce a new baddie(s) for season 2. Honestly his arc should be just about done, let him go out with a bang and move on. There are other pretty actors out there that can act.

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Buffy survived just fine for 7 seasons with one Big Bad per year. With 12 Houses and a host of other vampires at their disposal, there's no reason *not* to kill off Marcus other than popularity. And considering he's 'only popular on the internet', I don't see it as too big a loss. Only one character should be considered safe from season to season, and that's the guy whose name is in the title.

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Buffy survived just fine for 7 seasons with one Big Bad per year. With 12 Houses and a host of other vampires at their disposal, there's no reason *not* to kill off Marcus other than popularity.

Word to the. Blade should be the main focus, not the villian. If it just becomes season after season of Marcus' crazy schemes that would get old really fast, and would hurt the character of Blade making him seem really ineffective which we know he's not. Really only Blade's Scoobies (so Shen, and possibly Krista) should be relatively safe. I really don't want 5 seasons or whatever of Marcus Van Sciver and Chthon, let's explore the world more throughly, meet vampires from other houses, rogue sects, individual vampire badasses, hell even some human bad guys etc.

Sadly popularity often wins, even with awesome shows like Buffy. As far as I'm concerned Spike overstayed his welcome by 2 or 3 years (4 if you include moving him over to Angel) because he was popular and fangirls thought he was dreamy. And I could definately see Marcus having the Spike effect.

Though, there are tons of other good looking, talented actors out there that they could get to play another big bad who every could love (and maybe I could love finally!) and they'd get over the death of Van Sciver. Honestly, killing Marcus would upset some people, but it wouldn't cause masses to stop watching the show, and narratively it would be the best thing possible.

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And I could definately see Marcus having the Spike effect.

The only difference I could see is that Spike appealed to the WB's coveted demographics. Spiketv's different in that they want males 18-35 and could see them telling the fangirls to kiss it.. unless all those fangirls own Nielsen boxes.

Honestly, I'm wary of internet popularity because a vocal minority does not the majority make, ya know. If I remember correctly, Spike being added to Angel made no negligible difference in ratings. Had Spike/Marsters been as popular as the fangirls said he was - Marsters wouldn't be standing in the unemployed line at the moment. Okay, he wouldn't be guest-starring in a supporting role on Smallville.

I don't doubt Neil Jackson is popular amongst the fangirls. What I doubt is the show going down in flaming ruins should the character be ashed.

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The only difference I could see is that Spike appealed to the WB's coveted demographics. Spiketv's different in that they want males 18-35 and could see them telling the fangirls to kiss it.. unless all those fangirls own Nielsen boxes.

Good point. This relieves me some. Spike apparently has been surprised by the number of female viewers the show has, so considering this didn't expect big female numbers and they had finished filming season 1 when the show started to air, romance probably wasn't their top priority and while they wanted to get some sex in there, they don't want schmoopy feelings as the focus of the show. It might even explain why Karcus is the least developed aspect of the show because they don't care too much about it.

If I remember correctly, Spike being added to Angel made no negligible difference in ratings. Had Spike/Marsters been as popular as the fangirls said he was - Marsters wouldn't be standing in the unemployed line at the moment. Okay, he wouldn't be guest-starring in a supporting role on Smallville.

lol. So true. Fangirls made it seem like Marsters was going to take over the world when Angel ended and be collecting as Oscar within a year and would be beating offers from like everyone off of him with sticks and then ... he's guest starring on Smallville.

I don't doubt Neil Jackson is popular amongst the fangirls. What I doubt is the show going down in flaming ruins should the character be ashed.

Yeah, on the official boards even there are a lot of Blade (as in the charcter fans) who think Marcus gets way too much screen time, and are sick of Blade always reacting to what he's doing instead of Blade being the focus, and considering that it's Blade's show I think that feeling exists outside of internet land as well.

Really I can't think of any reason to keep Marcus around after this season, and if they keep him for next season he and his war against the purebloods would have to be a major storyline and would once again put Blade on the sidelines...which would suck. Die Marcus Die (and no that does not mean The Marcus The in german!)

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Yeah, on the official boards even there are a lot of Blade who think Marcus gets way too much screen time ... and considering that it's Blade's show I think that feeling exists outside of internet land as well.

Yay, this makes me happy! TPTB *have* to be doing some serious thoughts about where, why and how they lost the audience considering, at this point, they've lost practically half of their audience since the premiere. I don't mean to beat a dead horse but I'd put good money on the show not focusing on the lead character played alot into it. From what I've seen TPTB do have a plan and are thinking about the arc, but if no one noticed that the hero and the villain hadn't met face to face by episode *ten*, that just tells me they're either a) not paying attention enough or b) someone was a bit too invested in their villain. I'm laying bets on 'b'.

If the show survives to see a second season I predict two things to happen - 1) a stronger focus on Blade and 2) move the show to a different night or change the lead-in. Apparently, one of the reasons Eureka's doing so well on Sci-Fi (it's Sci-Fi's #1 scripted series) is because it leads into wrestling of all things. Which is good because Yay! Eureka but bad because it means there's going to be more wrestling on the Sci-Fi channel.

Really I can't think of any reason to keep Marcus around after this season

The only reason to keep Marcus around is if Blade doesn't kill him in the finale. And if that happens, then Blade just sucks as a hero. If he can kill a Blood God, a mutant vampire *and* Dracula himself, Marcus shouldn't be that big of a problem.

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they've lost practically half of their audience since the premiere. I don't mean to beat a dead horse but I'd put good money on the show not focusing on the lead character played alot into it.

That's true, there was a heavy focus on Krista and the Chthonians in the pilot. But beyond that the pilot was just ... well, bad. There were a few good moments, but overall I found the pilot badly paced, the acting was really bad in certain places (sorry Jill and Sticky it was mostly you), the fight scenes were horrible, and for a pilot that had a lot going on it was pretty boring. I almost didn't watch episode 2 because I didn't know if I could stay awake through another episode.

At the beginning of the season I could see not focusing on Blade as much because we already know and like Blade if we're watching the show, and they had to establish the Chthonians and whatnot. But the continued lack of Blade as the season has progressed has been a problem (that I think, I HOPE, TPTB have become aware of).

but if no one noticed that the hero and the villain hadn't met face to face by episode *ten*

The response of "oops" to that question bugged. If he'd said something about how they realized it but decided it would have more narrative impact if held until the finale or something, anything that made it seem like this was an actual decision instead of an oversight. Oh well, it seems like the series was thrown together pretty quickly, so I should just be happy they've managed to do this good a job of it. I never really expected the show to be any good, so despite my complaints I'm actually really overjoyed with it, and have high hopes for season 2 should be get it (and think that with more time to develop season 2 some of the types of things we've been complaining about will be fixed).

Apparently, one of the reasons Eureka's doing so well on Sci-Fi (it's Sci-Fi's #1 scripted series)

*woot* Go Eureka!

The only reason to keep Marcus around is if Blade doesn't kill him in the finale. And if that happens, then Blade just sucks as a hero. If he can kill a Blood God, a mutant vampire *and* Dracula himself, Marcus shouldn't be that big of a problem.

I cannot agree enough. If you want to show Marcus as a strategist that might be able to outsmart Blade okay, but do not even attempt to make Marcus a badass that even comes close to Blade's status. I know they've depowered Blade for the show, but really there's no way Marcus should even present a threat to him in one on one combat.

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I almost didn't watch episode 2 because I didn't know if I could stay awake through another episode.

*shudders* the pilot was baaaadd. Next to 'Angels & Demons', the Pilot is *the* last episode I'd use to lure people into watching the show. It honestly amazes me that the guy responsible for the movies also wrote *that*. If they were using that script to get Wesley Snipes, I can see why he said no.

I didn't get hooked until episode three.

and think that with more time to develop season 2 some of the types of things we've been complaining about will be fixed

Oh definitely, out of my three favorite shows this summer (Blade, Eureka, Life on Mars) this is the one I look forward to the most. I nitpick it to Hell and back because I love. But they definitely have a bad case of 'first season-itus'.

I think TPTB are smart enough to figure out what went wrong. I just hope Spiketv gives them the chance to do it right.

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*shudders* the pilot was baaaadd. Next to 'Angels & Demons', the Pilot is *the* last episode I'd use to lure people into watching the show.

So true. It's a painful catch-22 though because there was a lot of information given in the pilot that you need to understand what comes after it, so I've shown the pilot to friends with the disclaimer that it's the weakest episode of the series by far and that they have to watch at least the second and third episodes before they judge it. But it took a lot of badgering to get them to watch the second episode after the pilot.

Oh definitely, out of my three favorite shows this summer (Blade, Eureka, Life on Mars) this is the one I look forward to the most. I nitpick it to Hell and back because I love. But they definitely have a bad case of 'first season-itus'.

Oh me too! I ramble on about it, and notice things to nitpick because I love it enough to really think about it and rewatch episodes. Really the nitpicking is a testiment to how much I like it because I wouldn't care enough to complain about it if I wasn't invested in it.

But they definitely have a bad case of 'first season-itus'.

lol. Someone needs to come up with a pill or ointment to take care of that.

I think TPTB are smart enough to figure out what went wrong. I just hope Spiketv gives them the chance to do it right.

I heartily agree. I can't say how many excellent shows I've watched have been cancelled because it took them a few episodes to find an audience. I'm still heartbroken over Space Above and Beyond, Firefly, and The Inside to name just a few. Plus, its SpikeTV it's not like the have a bunch of great original programming to take it's place. The rating are going up (due to word of mouth after the horrible pilot turned people off), they've managed to pull in a female audience which they didn't anticipate, and nobody needs to see more "The World's Most ___________________" or "V.I.P.", Star Trek TNG reruns or "Ultimate Fighter". Give like one hour a week to something other shows that were good 10 years ago, and car chases.