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fembuckI'm continuing to love this show. Seriously, I'm so happy it's good.
There's probably more than could be said, but I'm sleepy so I bid you all adieu!
LENA HEADEY!
1. Summer Glau rocks. Like many people I think that for me Cameron has been "awww schmoopy, you so cute with your big eyes and robotic walk" since the beginning of the series, but this episode Cameron freaked me the hell out in an awesome way. She was very unsettling (and hot) for most of the episode, which is really how we should be feeling about her more then "awww, so cute *pinches cheeks*".
For that reason the scenes with Cameron and Charley were actually some of my favorite in the episode. "Little girl, you freak me.....the hell out," indeed Charley. Indeed.
I don't think for a moment that Cameron is going to betray Sarah and John, but with the "Sometimes they go bad. No one knows why," line, and the chopping up Terminator's, and the slipping microchips into her pockets, Cameron really made me uncomfortable for the first time and I give major kudos to Summer for that.
Also, Cameron standing in the doorway in her jumpsuit after blowing away the Terminator that went bad was like the hottest thing ever. *looks around for cold water*
2. Kyle is pretty.
3. Future!John is interesting. I was interested to see that he seemed to be revered and respected by his soldier's but not really loved by them. He was like this mystically shadow-y figure that operated from the depth who everyone knew about and was in awe of, but it was a cold, aloof sort of wonder. The "John doesn't have any friends" line was very telling too. Innnnnnnteresting.
Also, I wonder if it means anything that they had Dekker playing John during the "Look! It's a time travel room!" scene? Was it just because Derek was all drugged up and the future was merging with his present, or is a fairly young John in the future who has maybe jumped a head a lot, or was it just a cheap stand-in because they haven't hired anyone for Future!John yet? *scratches head* I'm guessing it's because Derek was drugged up though since we've seen an older John in the movies, and they've just hired Christian Bale to play a manly John in the next movie (though I realize that movie will likely have little to nothing to do with the show).
4. As much as I liked Charley, I'm glad that there is no lingering romance plot between him and Sarah. I won't have to cringe every time I see him now.
5. Lena is so cute. When Sarah was talking about Kyle and his kind eyes and had that smile on her face I was just like "awwwwww". She was like a sixteen year old girl.
6. I was actually very pleased with the reveal that it was Derek who killed Andy. Derek didn't really seem that badass despite his stubble and tattoos, so I was pleased to see that he was the one that did it. It's also interesting that the first thing he did upon meeting Sarah was lie to her about not killing Andy.
7. So, who thinks that Cameron-model Terminator's were in the Torture Chamber of Classical Music? *raises hand* I'm thinking brainwashing was going on since they let the men go. Also, I'm very interested to know what was up with the music. Was there a human involved in whatever was going on?
8. BRING BACK TARISSA! I miss her.
For that reason the scenes with Cameron and Charley were actually some of my favorite in the episode. "Little girl, you freak me.....the hell out," indeed Charley. Indeed.
I don't think for a moment that Cameron is going to betray Sarah and John, but with the "Sometimes they go bad. No one knows why," line, and the chopping up Terminator's, and the slipping microchips into her pockets, Cameron really made me uncomfortable for the first time and I give major kudos to Summer for that.
Also, Cameron standing in the doorway in her jumpsuit after blowing away the Terminator that went bad was like the hottest thing ever. *looks around for cold water*
2. Kyle is pretty.
3. Future!John is interesting. I was interested to see that he seemed to be revered and respected by his soldier's but not really loved by them. He was like this mystically shadow-y figure that operated from the depth who everyone knew about and was in awe of, but it was a cold, aloof sort of wonder. The "John doesn't have any friends" line was very telling too. Innnnnnnteresting.
Also, I wonder if it means anything that they had Dekker playing John during the "Look! It's a time travel room!" scene? Was it just because Derek was all drugged up and the future was merging with his present, or is a fairly young John in the future who has maybe jumped a head a lot, or was it just a cheap stand-in because they haven't hired anyone for Future!John yet? *scratches head* I'm guessing it's because Derek was drugged up though since we've seen an older John in the movies, and they've just hired Christian Bale to play a manly John in the next movie (though I realize that movie will likely have little to nothing to do with the show).
4. As much as I liked Charley, I'm glad that there is no lingering romance plot between him and Sarah. I won't have to cringe every time I see him now.
5. Lena is so cute. When Sarah was talking about Kyle and his kind eyes and had that smile on her face I was just like "awwwwww". She was like a sixteen year old girl.
6. I was actually very pleased with the reveal that it was Derek who killed Andy. Derek didn't really seem that badass despite his stubble and tattoos, so I was pleased to see that he was the one that did it. It's also interesting that the first thing he did upon meeting Sarah was lie to her about not killing Andy.
7. So, who thinks that Cameron-model Terminator's were in the Torture Chamber of Classical Music? *raises hand* I'm thinking brainwashing was going on since they let the men go. Also, I'm very interested to know what was up with the music. Was there a human involved in whatever was going on?
8. BRING BACK TARISSA! I miss her.
There's probably more than could be said, but I'm sleepy so I bid you all adieu!
LENA HEADEY!
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Date: 2008-02-19 05:10 am (UTC)Also, I know it was sorta threat-ish when Cam was like "it's not safe for you here," but really, WTF was wrong with Sarah getting all "I'LL KILL YOU, BITCH!" for her saying that. Wasn't the lack of safety for him the reason she left in the first place?!?
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Date: 2008-02-19 10:24 pm (UTC)I'm not really worried about Cameron being evil, I'm sure it's misdirection. Summer Glau is integral to the show, and if she was rogue they wouldn't be able to make as much use of her as they would when she's on Team Connor. I do see some conflicts ahead, but I'm not worried about it separating the terrific trio for long.
Sarah's verbal bitch-slapping of Cameron last night also really makes me look forward to the arc where Sarah has to learn how to appreciate Cameron and start treating her better. Like, the episode where Cameron walks out on her back-talking ass and Sarah realizes how much they need her (and how much she misses her).
I know it was sorta threat-ish when Cam was like "it's not safe for you here," but really, WTF was wrong with Sarah getting all "I'LL KILL YOU, BITCH!" for her saying that. Wasn't the lack of safety for him the reason she left in the first place?!?
Honestly, I didn't even think Cameron's "it's not safe for you here" was that threatening. It was more bitchy, which is hilarious. Cameron was really bitchy that whole scene with her "it's a scary robot" comment and the general way she was looking at Charlie. I was waiting for her to sneer "I really REALLY don't like you" and stick her tongue out at him. Seriously, that scene was made of win.
I was struck by how mean Sarah was though. Threatening to take Cameron apart piece by piece was mean even for how they normally interact with each other. And then when she was all like "take care of" and sashayed on out of the garage I was like "Sarah, you lucky you so fine or else you'd get your ass kicked".
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Date: 2008-02-19 11:04 pm (UTC)After screwing me over with "Firefly," Fox owes it to me to not do that to Summer.
Sarah's verbal bitch-slapping of Cameron last night also really makes me look forward to the arc where Sarah has to learn how to appreciate Cameron and start treating her better. Like, the episode where Cameron walks out on her back-talking ass and Sarah realizes how much they need her (and how much she misses her).
WIN. Sarah apologizing and missing Cameron <3
Honestly, I didn't even think Cameron's "it's not safe for you here" was that threatening. It was more bitchy, which is hilarious.
It was definitely hilarious, but I was just thinking it may have been a teensy bit threat-ish in the sense that she was sorta playing into his "scary robot" theory, giving him something like "It's not safe for you here because I'm going to kill you." Or, at least that's how it came across to Charley. (I much prefer the more femslashy threat interpretation of "It's not safe for you here because I'll kill you if you put the moves on Sarah again.")
"Sarah, you lucky you so fine or else you'd get your ass kicked".
LOL. So, SO true. Both Sarah being lucky that she's so fine, and the fact that she is, indeed, so fine.
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Date: 2008-02-19 11:25 pm (UTC)I can't even think about "Firefly" without wanting to beat the people that run FOX with a very blunt or very sharp object. That show was golden. GOLDEN!
I was just thinking it may have been a teensy bit threat-ish in the sense that she was sorta playing into his "scary robot" theory, giving him something like "It's not safe for you here because I'm going to kill you."
She was all petulant when she said it, but you know that Charley feared for his life and ran to Sarah crying about how mean Cameron was and how he thought she'd create another set of chum bags out of him. Honestly, Charley was probably right to be worried, Cameron seriously didn't like him.
It was just hilarious how Sarah came in all "What did you say to him?" like he was a six year old that whose older sister made him cry and now Mommy has to punish her.
(I much prefer the more femslashy threat interpretation of "It's not safe for you here because I'll kill you if you put the moves on Sarah again.")
What I love about this show is that you don't even really have to fanwank. Cameron was totally jealous the entire episode or both Derek ("We should let him die") and Charley. Cameron does not want any men folk moving in on her woman. In fact now that I think about it, it cracks me up that she's proposed the death of two men in Sarah's life (Andy and Derek), and that she intimidated and scared the bejesus out of the other one. Heh. Cameron's so possessive. It's darling.
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Date: 2008-02-19 05:18 am (UTC)Heh. I've read a few comments about the choice of the actor playing Kyle... that he was too blandly good-looking. But then I watched it myself. And, hello, it was Jonathan Jackson... the original 'Lucky Spencer'. So it's impossible for me not to love him in all things.
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Date: 2008-02-19 10:26 pm (UTC)In any case, I don't care if he's a pretty boy because I like to look at him. Also, I only saw T1 like once so I never really got attached to Michael Biehn as Kyle.
Also, I want to see Jonathon and Lena on screen together, because that much pretty will be a beautiful, beautiful thing to behold.
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Date: 2008-02-19 06:34 am (UTC)I don't know. I felt like the introduction of John's uncle was *way* too soon in a show still trying to find its legs. That and doing flash forwards regarding shit we, for the most part, *already* know? Boring. That and, well, I don't care if he's like a bajillion years old - they totally should have Michael Biehn come back to play Kyle.. or at least used his voice. If they can use special effects to de-age Sigourney Weaver in those Direct TV ads, they could do the same for Biehn.
Cameron really made me uncomfortable for the first time and I give major kudos to Summer for that.
Yes. I don't know if its subtlety on TPTB part or my fanwankery, but I like the comparisons regarding 'family'. Cameron must kill hers to protect Sarah and John, while they get to save theirs, ie, Derek. All while she's keeping 'pieces' of her family.
Kyle is pretty.
And so, so very gay. Just like his momma.. but less butch.
As much as I liked Charley, I'm glad that there is no lingering romance plot between him and Sarah.
Or, as I like to call it, 'you mean you've been trying to stop Armageddon all by yourself.. huh, have a nice life. Thanks for all the fish!'. I mean, if I found out that the world's going to end in a couple years, I'd like to think I'd want to try and do something to stop it rather than leaving it to a single mother, her teenaged son and a scary-ass robot!
And, dude, did you see the previews for next week? Another female Terminator!! Score!
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Date: 2008-02-19 10:38 pm (UTC)Yeah, I'll admit I was kind of bored by this because of the lack of Sarah. I mean I'm sure Lena appreciated being able to take her sausage dogs for a walk and like catch up on her laundry or whatever since she probably only had to work like 2 days that week, but it kind of sucked for the viewers to have so little Sarah so soon. Especially for that episode to be focused on a character we only met the episode and who is played by BAG. If it had been John or Cameron-centric I would have been able to deal better.
I don't know. I felt like the introduction of John's uncle was *way* too soon in a show still trying to find its legs.
I totally agree. I'm still learning about the main characters and about the way they interact and work with each other, and I was enjoying the cozy little set up they had going and getting used to their world. And then this episode was like "CRASH BANG HORDES OF PEOPLE TRAPPLING THROUGH GRRR MACHINES" and I was like "whoa". Also, I don't think I like Derek so seeing so much of him wasn't awesome.
That and, well, I don't care if he's like a bajillion years old - they totally should have Michael Biehn come back to play Kyle.. or at least used his voice. If they can use special effects to de-age Sigourney Weaver in those Direct TV ads, they could do the same for Biehn.
Blasphemous as it is, I've only seen T1 like once, and I forget most of what happened in it, so I'm not as attached to the Kyle Reese character as a lot of people so the recasting didn't bother me too much. The fact that Jonathon Jackson is so pretty probably helps too. It is really difficult to get used to seeing a different person playing a role that is iconic for you though. Like I can imagine how I'd feel if they tried to recast Xena or something.
I mean, if I found out that the world's going to end in a couple years, I'd like to think I'd want to try and do something to stop it rather than leaving it to a single mother, her teenaged son and a scary-ass robot!
Well, in Charley's defense I don't think that Sarah wanted his help. She was very much like "oh, cute little civilian that is scared by my pet Terminator". I think he might have been willing to help if she'd asked, but she was like "Bye...bye...bye...I'll call you next time someone is dying!" as she pushed him out the door.
And, dude, did you see the previews for next week? Another female Terminator!! Score!
WHAAAAAAAAAT?????????? Fucking CTV didn't give any previews for next weeks episode! FUCK YOU CTV, I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *sigh* It's too bad they couldn't have gotten Loken to guest star since she's not doing anything these days. Lena, Cameron and the Lokinator in one episode would have blown my mind with awesome.
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Date: 2008-02-19 11:30 pm (UTC)Yeah, something about his casting makes me wary of the character. I would have preferred Brian Bloom or even Dean Winters as Kyle's little brother over BAG. It feels too much like stunt casting without much stunt to it. Or worse, copying the Grey's Anatomy formula by casting a former 80's teen heartthrob in an adult role and hoping it takes off. But, dude, BAG probably wasn't the best way to go. He doesn't have the gravitas to make it work so it has a square peg in round hole feel to it.
t is really difficult to get used to seeing a different person playing a role that is iconic for you though.
*Sad, pathetic admission* I was still in the process of cooking dinner when the show came on, so when I saw BAG future scenes on my tv, I went back to cooking, so I totally missed that it was Jonathon Jackson playing Kyle.
It's not that I'm against them recasting, it's just.. if you're gonna use such an iconic character that's a part of the Terminator's history then, dayum, make it *HUGE*. Make it something that will rock the audience's socks off. Don't use the emotional currency of a beloved character to prop up audience interest in a secondary character!!
That's one of my biggest quibbles with Smallville. How they use the emotional currency from previous Superman storylines/scenes/characters in an effort to bolster their own story. It feels like a 'cheat'. Like they're using something that's unearned. (I had the same problem with Superman Returns using the old John Williams score. Like, if you're going to reinvision an old story have the balls to let it stand on its own rather than using the past as a crutch.. or something).
If they're going to use Kyle Reese, then use him to support the characters that the show's about, ie, Sarah and/or John!!
Well, in Charley's defense I don't think that Sarah wanted his help.
That's just it, whether she wants his help or not, the end of the world involves him as well. I just.. it seems weird for someone to so casually walk away from something that huge. Especially someone who's livelihood revolves around saving people's lives.
WHAAAAAAAAAT?????????? Fucking CTV didn't give any previews for next weeks episode!
Dude, that right there is reason enough to show up at CTV with pitchforks and burning torches! And yes, they totally should have hired The Loken to reprise her role for the robot-Sarah-robot sexcapades!
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Date: 2008-02-19 07:45 am (UTC)Cameron was bad ass in that scene and I loved it. Even had to go in for a second viewing. I think I'm going to need some cold water too.
He will always be Lucky to me, but it was great to see him on my TV and still being as pretty as I remember him.
Ok not only did I think that too, but I couldn't help but picture Cameron doing ballet. Weird I know, I blame YouTube and Angel.
Can I get in on this randomly saying Lena Headey train, please? You guys could really be on to something. Maybe it'll bring about world peace or at the very least cure depression. Seriously though, how great were those Lena close-ups during that Charley and Sarah chat at the end? I could barely pay attention to what was being said. The woman is just gorgeous.
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Date: 2008-02-19 10:43 pm (UTC)Oh, I know. That scene definitely makes it onto the favorites reel. I was like literally dazed by her hotness. For a few minutes I had no idea what was going on, lol.
He will always be Lucky to me, but it was great to see him on my TV and still being as pretty as I remember him.
Never watched GH, but I'm a long time fan of his pretty and I'm glad to see him on my TV being pretty again.
Ok not only did I think that too, but I couldn't help but picture Cameron doing ballet. Weird I know, I blame YouTube and Angel.
lol, how awesome and creepy would that have been. I admit I'm awaiting the "Cameron does Ballet" episode. I did think we would get a glimpse of her, maybe playing the piano or something when they dragged Derek off.
I really want to know what was going on in that room.
Can I get in on this randomly saying Lena Headey train, please?
Of course! Lena Headey. Everyone is welcome!
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Date: 2008-02-19 12:41 pm (UTC)And Lena Headey! So much pretty...
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Date: 2008-02-19 10:45 pm (UTC)Me too! I was really looking forward to how awesome and creepy it was going to be and was kind of disappointed when it didn't happen. I love me some creepy classical music playing Cameron.
Cameron being all suspicious in this ep was cool, I don't think she's gonna betray anyone either but it's fun when you don't really know for sure.
Yeah, I like that they're setting her up not to just be blindly following orders. I don't think that she'll betray them, but I do like that we're seeing the development of her personality and feelings.
Lena Headey!
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Date: 2008-02-19 01:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-02-19 10:50 pm (UTC)I don't think they'll go down the road of really having Cameron be bad or betray the Connors because if they do they wouldn't be able to use Summer Glau on the show as much and she's a big hit with pretty much everyone.
I do like that they are setting up a internal conflict within Cameron that could put her at odds with Sarah, and that she's developing her own distinct personality with her own concerns. Sarah's kind of been treating her like a glorified toaster, and she's clearly more than that, and I think that a storyline with Sarah realizing this and having to deal with Cameron as a person instead treating as a machine could be interesting.
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Date: 2008-02-19 06:14 pm (UTC)and I'm more weirded out by derek
he doesn't seem quite right - also, he lied to sarah and apparently didn't even try to destroy the turk or even look for it
and I agree with the not going evil bit *nods*
seems like she's a very different terminator than all the others, possibly the only one of her kind even (one that can think for itself but still do sort of what it was meant to do) and that she might be dealing with a conflict of interests (wipe out her own 'species,' or doom humanity to be nearly wiped out instead)
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Date: 2008-02-19 10:55 pm (UTC)Myles Dyson's wife. She was in a few episodes of the show. Basically the actress that plays her is awesome, and she has good chemistry with Headey.
and I'm more weirded out by derek. he doesn't seem quite right - also, he lied to sarah and apparently didn't even try to destroy the turk or even look for it
Yeah, Derek creeps me out. I don't like him, and I think he's definitely up to something. I don't think he likes John or Sarah very much. He's kind of interesting though.
she might be dealing with a conflict of interests (wipe out her own 'species,' or doom humanity to be nearly wiped out instead)
Definitely. I think their totally going along those lines. I loved that in the episode about grieving we saw her seem to realize the ramifications of what she was doing by taking the other Terminator's brain chip out. I really can't wait to see what they do with Cameron, especially because I know Summer will knock it out of the ball park.
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Date: 2008-02-19 10:49 pm (UTC)Also, now I'm rather curious how you'll integrate Sarah's loathing of Cameron in the TV series into your fic series (or if you'll just ignore it. I wouldn't mind ignoring it, hah.)
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Date: 2008-02-19 11:05 pm (UTC)Eh, I didn't really love this episode. I think I liked it better than "Heavy Metal", but not by much. It did introduce some interesting plot points that could became exciting later on, and I did actually like a few scenes like Charley and Cameron in the garage, and Cameron rescuing Derek in the future. But yeah, the future scenes really weighed the episode down. It was a huge mistake to devote so much of the episode to a character we'd only met the episode before and to Charley. Like, WTF?
And what's with all the terminator/robot hating on Cameron?? With all this "you're so different so your eeeeeeevil and I'm terrified of you and we must exterminate every last piece of you at all costs" attitude, no wonder Skynet is so desperate for self-preservation.
Yeah, it's kind of like on BSG with how the humans are such unrelenting assholes that you totally understand why the Cylons want to killinate us out of existence.
I mean, Charley being freaked out I can kind of understand. He didn't exactly see Cameron at her best, and she clearly disliked him which wouldn't have endeared her too him.
Derek I'm not that surprised by either, especially since I suspect Derek is a totally douchebag. I mean, the other people in John's camp seemed to have adjusted themselves to the idea of working with reprogrammed Terminator's. Then again, if a Cameron-model tortured Derek, which I think is likely, his hatred is kind of justified or at least more understandable.
Sarah's behavior is what really surprised me.
Also, now I'm rather curious how you'll integrate Sarah's loathing of Cameron in the TV series into your fic series (or if you'll just ignore it. I wouldn't mind ignoring it, hah.)
I won't ignore it. I'll probably go the "Sarah was having a no good, very bad day" route, with some self-loathing mixed in there for good measure. Like, through Charlie's eyes she sees how she feels she should react to Cameron but doesn't. And I'll probably have Cameron be a little cold with her which will hammer home the fact to her that Cameron isn't just some piece of machinery she can take her bad moods out on.
I think the series is gonna have to branch away from canon pretty soon though. I might wrap it up soon and then just do single-shot episode fics.