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fembuckI keep going back and reading more, even though I know it's bad for me! Why? Why do I do this?
The follwing was written by drza44 over at Rhombus and it has done what I thought was impossible ... it has made me want to read the next book in the series (wishy-washy? Me?? Surely you jest!)
For the record, I'm the 'cynic' referred to at the bottom and the label is totally deserved, I was ranting and being a hater. So here is part of the post I made that's being responded to:
Me Being A Hater
What Kim's answer to that question said to me was that she thinks people are getting bored with the slow burn, and is going to stop the progression for X number of books. I think this is stupid and a cop out. Things HAVE been growing steadily and you can't have them suddenly put breaks on their feelings. She's already put brakes on their actions, but the feeling have continued to grow and need to be addressed. She's trying to halt their development because now that they are no longer terrified of each other, can control their actions much better, and are practically soulmates, it MAKES NO SENSE FOR THEM NOT TO ACT ON THEIR FEELINGS. I'd say she can stretch things out for another book until they are at the point where things HAVE to come to a head, where Rachel has to have that 'aha' moment you talked about.
drza44's awesome response
As I said before, I think the chances of Ravy being the end-game are probably around 50/50. But we pretty much know that it won't be a they-try-it-then-break-up thing because KH has said that we won't get a final answer till the last book (and this seems like something she'd be telling the truth about without having to parse words). We also know that in the last book Rachel figures out how to save Ivy's soul (per KH) and that both Rachel and Ivy get a happily ever after ending. So, the question is whether that is with each other or with someone else, and I do believe that KH may still be floating whether to go with it or not.
That said, in the short term I don't expect to see the Ravy armageddon (i.e. all stop) that you point out, because frankly I don't think KH has the will or the desire to flat end it now. There have been exactly 2 consistencies across all 7 books so far: Rachel's magic level grows, and Rachel and Ivy's relationship develops. That's it. Trent comes and goes, Jenks has come and gone, Big Al, Piscary, werewolves, vampires, demons...EVERYTHING has been variable per book outside of Rachel's magic growing and Rachel/Ivy developing.
So what I expect is that, if anything, she'll take on a different angle in their development. Piggybacking on my post from earlier (but going further back), you could break the series down like this:
Pre-series: Ivy wants Rachel, Rachel is straight and scared of vampires
Book 1 Ravy issue: getting them in same place and establishing Ivy may have interest (check)
Book 2 Ravy issue: getting over fear of vampires (enter Nick the human who grew up around inderlanders, and spends lots of face time describing how honorable what Ivy wants is and how much Rachel and Ivy make a great team while also showing how much vamp scars can light up sex even when non-vamps use them)
Book 3 Ravy issue: Get Rachel over fear of vampires part 2, start getting her used to idea that Ivy wants her for more than just scion, start making Rachel aware how important Ivy is to her (enter Kisten the vamp who grew up with Ivy, makes vampirism sexy but safe enough for Rachel's (and the readers') tender sensibilities, enter Skimmer the ex-girlfriend who makes Rachel jealous and uncomfortable, enter Newt the demon that uses Rachel's love for Ivy to send her home).
Book 4 Ravy issue: time to take it up a notch physically and get the readers used to Rachel and Ivy getting hot and heavy (The incident in the van, check)...now, STOP before it gets out of control as the goose isn't cooked yet (hello Ivy loses control, Jenks tries to kill her).
Book 5 Ravy issue: was it just adrenaline and pheromones, or was it more? Also, let's get the readers used to the concept of Rachel and Ivy with their lips on each other (The kiss, Rachel's wrangling all book about how she feels about Ivy. And as a side note, let's re-emphasize how great vamp stuff can make sex)...now STOP, before it gets out of control as the goose isn't cooked yet (bye bye Kisten).
Book 6 Ravy issue: (went through it in detail last post). Cliffnotes: need to show Rachel and readers that she cares for Ivy outside of the pheromones, so hello one last screaming O before no more blood swap.
Book 7 Ravy issue: (again, covered in detail last post). Cliffnotes: need to show both Rachel and the readers that in the absence of pheromones, Rachel and Ivy's relationship is even stronger. IMO, done and done.
So now, what issues are still on the table (trying to think like KH, here)? There are 3, that I can think of: 1) Rachel has still never admitted on camera that she actually is "wired that way" when it comes to Ivy, 2) Could the developments of the last 2 books REALLY be considered an epic! friendship instead of love?, and 3) (the biggie) Rachel is immature and Ivy has a lot of needs, so we've got to grow Rachel up some more and Ivy has to get more secure in herself.
So, what do we know about books 8 and 9? We know that Ivy will be dating Glenn in book 8, we strongly suspect that Rachel and Pierce hook up in book 8, and we know that book 9 is a road trip book that (from what I've been able to gather) will involve Trent, Ivy, and Jenks going somewhere with Rachel. We've also seen KH say that she purposefully puts Trent around Rachel a lot in book 9 with the idea that if anything is ever going to happen between them, it would be then. Finally, we have KH emphasizing that book 8 is the book where Rachel "grows up".
When I compare the issues with the "knowns", I see lots of potential for book 8, especially for point (3) and possibly the other two as well. For one, as I said before, I expect Rachel to give it a try with her "Rachel candy prototype", and I expect it to not go as well as she would want. If book 9 really is supposed to be a possible show-case for Trent, that tells me that by then Pierce could very well have come and gone. I expect that whatever causes Rachel/Pierce to not last could be part of Rachel's growing up process, which is a good thing for our girl Ivy since every Rachel ex has pushed her more towards Ivy.
I also am very interested to see how Ivy/Glenn is handled, because Glenn could be a way to touch on issue (1) above, if Rachel becomes jealous in such a way that even she can't blame it on anything else anymore. With Skimmer Rachel's jealous reactions could be explained away by her not liking Skimmer, Skimmer being jealous of her, and/or Skimmer maybe not being good for Ivy. Same with Rynn, though to a lesser degree all around. David didn't make Rachel jealous, but he was never more than a crush on-screen so therefore no threat. But Glen is a good friend, and if he and Ivy hit it off it could encroach on the ground Rachel has been taking for granted. Potential, here. Plus, If Ivy can have a healthy relationship with Glen (presumably without blood) then it shows that she can do it, and it further separates her from the person Piscary was building her to be (and the one that Rachel is too "flaky" to fulfill the needs of). I also wouldn't be surprised at all to have Ivy finally blow up on Rachel in the next book or 2 about Ivy having to move on if Rachel doesn't want her (likely tied into how Rachel responds to her and Glen).
So again, I ended up writing a book where I hoped to write a memo. But at the end of all this writing, I'll say again that KH has addressed the Rachel/Ivy relationship differently in every book and I expect that to continue in book 8. So while I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't any more serious heart-to-hearts between our girls in the next volume, that doesn't bother me so much because KH has already established that they have massive non-lust love for each other. It's the same as how it doesn't bother me that we didn't get a bite last book, since KH has already established that they have massive bite-lust for each other already. From all of KH's Oracle-like statements, she's very clear that the biggest obstacle that she currently sees between Rav;y is the idea that Rachel isn't grown enough and Ivy is too needy. So I really think that's the next development theme in the books. So I'm hoping that KH slides us some tasty scenes in the next book or two, but I think the meat of the Ravy development doesn't even have to happen with them on screen together. Which kinda sucks...but still, I don't think a lack of face interraction (if it happens like that) would necessarily mean things were moving in the wrong direction. I think it's just more of what KH perceives needs to happen before neither Rachel nor her readers can really fight it anymore.
And while I share your cynical view that Ravy hasn't happened due to audience concerns, I'm not quite as cynical as you to the motives. As you point out, KH has already gotten her readers pretty far along the path to Ravy without making them admit it yet. A few more books of a development here and a development there, and even the die-hards will run out of ways to justify it. If anything, I would think that's KH's ulterior motive. Can she build a relationship that nobody can deny, even without actually admitting that such a relationship exists. At least, that's how I see it.
Seriously, doesn't that just make you want to [Bring It On] yell like you care about something? [/BIO]
P.S. If you go to pg. 22 of the Quotes from Kim's Website thread, you can read another amazing break down of the Rachel/Ivy relationship and why it must be inevitable from drza44.
This is probably the best explanation of what's going on in the books, and what's likely to go on in the books that I've read. If things go as out lined here, I'm still gonna hate on K.H for being a lying liar who lies (and cock-blocks and is a book extension shenanigan-izer), but I will be insanely happy with the series overall arc and conclusion.
You know, I wish the things Kim said could make me half as excited as what is behind the cut did. Seriously, she should get drza44 to do PR for her, because I'm almost officially pumped for this series again, and that right there is a miracle, and who wouldn't want a miracle worker on their side?
The follwing was written by drza44 over at Rhombus and it has done what I thought was impossible ... it has made me want to read the next book in the series (wishy-washy? Me?? Surely you jest!)
For the record, I'm the 'cynic' referred to at the bottom and the label is totally deserved, I was ranting and being a hater. So here is part of the post I made that's being responded to:
Me Being A Hater
What Kim's answer to that question said to me was that she thinks people are getting bored with the slow burn, and is going to stop the progression for X number of books. I think this is stupid and a cop out. Things HAVE been growing steadily and you can't have them suddenly put breaks on their feelings. She's already put brakes on their actions, but the feeling have continued to grow and need to be addressed. She's trying to halt their development because now that they are no longer terrified of each other, can control their actions much better, and are practically soulmates, it MAKES NO SENSE FOR THEM NOT TO ACT ON THEIR FEELINGS. I'd say she can stretch things out for another book until they are at the point where things HAVE to come to a head, where Rachel has to have that 'aha' moment you talked about.
drza44's awesome response
As I said before, I think the chances of Ravy being the end-game are probably around 50/50. But we pretty much know that it won't be a they-try-it-then-break-up thing because KH has said that we won't get a final answer till the last book (and this seems like something she'd be telling the truth about without having to parse words). We also know that in the last book Rachel figures out how to save Ivy's soul (per KH) and that both Rachel and Ivy get a happily ever after ending. So, the question is whether that is with each other or with someone else, and I do believe that KH may still be floating whether to go with it or not.
That said, in the short term I don't expect to see the Ravy armageddon (i.e. all stop) that you point out, because frankly I don't think KH has the will or the desire to flat end it now. There have been exactly 2 consistencies across all 7 books so far: Rachel's magic level grows, and Rachel and Ivy's relationship develops. That's it. Trent comes and goes, Jenks has come and gone, Big Al, Piscary, werewolves, vampires, demons...EVERYTHING has been variable per book outside of Rachel's magic growing and Rachel/Ivy developing.
So what I expect is that, if anything, she'll take on a different angle in their development. Piggybacking on my post from earlier (but going further back), you could break the series down like this:
Pre-series: Ivy wants Rachel, Rachel is straight and scared of vampires
Book 1 Ravy issue: getting them in same place and establishing Ivy may have interest (check)
Book 2 Ravy issue: getting over fear of vampires (enter Nick the human who grew up around inderlanders, and spends lots of face time describing how honorable what Ivy wants is and how much Rachel and Ivy make a great team while also showing how much vamp scars can light up sex even when non-vamps use them)
Book 3 Ravy issue: Get Rachel over fear of vampires part 2, start getting her used to idea that Ivy wants her for more than just scion, start making Rachel aware how important Ivy is to her (enter Kisten the vamp who grew up with Ivy, makes vampirism sexy but safe enough for Rachel's (and the readers') tender sensibilities, enter Skimmer the ex-girlfriend who makes Rachel jealous and uncomfortable, enter Newt the demon that uses Rachel's love for Ivy to send her home).
Book 4 Ravy issue: time to take it up a notch physically and get the readers used to Rachel and Ivy getting hot and heavy (The incident in the van, check)...now, STOP before it gets out of control as the goose isn't cooked yet (hello Ivy loses control, Jenks tries to kill her).
Book 5 Ravy issue: was it just adrenaline and pheromones, or was it more? Also, let's get the readers used to the concept of Rachel and Ivy with their lips on each other (The kiss, Rachel's wrangling all book about how she feels about Ivy. And as a side note, let's re-emphasize how great vamp stuff can make sex)...now STOP, before it gets out of control as the goose isn't cooked yet (bye bye Kisten).
Book 6 Ravy issue: (went through it in detail last post). Cliffnotes: need to show Rachel and readers that she cares for Ivy outside of the pheromones, so hello one last screaming O before no more blood swap.
Book 7 Ravy issue: (again, covered in detail last post). Cliffnotes: need to show both Rachel and the readers that in the absence of pheromones, Rachel and Ivy's relationship is even stronger. IMO, done and done.
So now, what issues are still on the table (trying to think like KH, here)? There are 3, that I can think of: 1) Rachel has still never admitted on camera that she actually is "wired that way" when it comes to Ivy, 2) Could the developments of the last 2 books REALLY be considered an epic! friendship instead of love?, and 3) (the biggie) Rachel is immature and Ivy has a lot of needs, so we've got to grow Rachel up some more and Ivy has to get more secure in herself.
So, what do we know about books 8 and 9? We know that Ivy will be dating Glenn in book 8, we strongly suspect that Rachel and Pierce hook up in book 8, and we know that book 9 is a road trip book that (from what I've been able to gather) will involve Trent, Ivy, and Jenks going somewhere with Rachel. We've also seen KH say that she purposefully puts Trent around Rachel a lot in book 9 with the idea that if anything is ever going to happen between them, it would be then. Finally, we have KH emphasizing that book 8 is the book where Rachel "grows up".
When I compare the issues with the "knowns", I see lots of potential for book 8, especially for point (3) and possibly the other two as well. For one, as I said before, I expect Rachel to give it a try with her "Rachel candy prototype", and I expect it to not go as well as she would want. If book 9 really is supposed to be a possible show-case for Trent, that tells me that by then Pierce could very well have come and gone. I expect that whatever causes Rachel/Pierce to not last could be part of Rachel's growing up process, which is a good thing for our girl Ivy since every Rachel ex has pushed her more towards Ivy.
I also am very interested to see how Ivy/Glenn is handled, because Glenn could be a way to touch on issue (1) above, if Rachel becomes jealous in such a way that even she can't blame it on anything else anymore. With Skimmer Rachel's jealous reactions could be explained away by her not liking Skimmer, Skimmer being jealous of her, and/or Skimmer maybe not being good for Ivy. Same with Rynn, though to a lesser degree all around. David didn't make Rachel jealous, but he was never more than a crush on-screen so therefore no threat. But Glen is a good friend, and if he and Ivy hit it off it could encroach on the ground Rachel has been taking for granted. Potential, here. Plus, If Ivy can have a healthy relationship with Glen (presumably without blood) then it shows that she can do it, and it further separates her from the person Piscary was building her to be (and the one that Rachel is too "flaky" to fulfill the needs of). I also wouldn't be surprised at all to have Ivy finally blow up on Rachel in the next book or 2 about Ivy having to move on if Rachel doesn't want her (likely tied into how Rachel responds to her and Glen).
So again, I ended up writing a book where I hoped to write a memo. But at the end of all this writing, I'll say again that KH has addressed the Rachel/Ivy relationship differently in every book and I expect that to continue in book 8. So while I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't any more serious heart-to-hearts between our girls in the next volume, that doesn't bother me so much because KH has already established that they have massive non-lust love for each other. It's the same as how it doesn't bother me that we didn't get a bite last book, since KH has already established that they have massive bite-lust for each other already. From all of KH's Oracle-like statements, she's very clear that the biggest obstacle that she currently sees between Rav;y is the idea that Rachel isn't grown enough and Ivy is too needy. So I really think that's the next development theme in the books. So I'm hoping that KH slides us some tasty scenes in the next book or two, but I think the meat of the Ravy development doesn't even have to happen with them on screen together. Which kinda sucks...but still, I don't think a lack of face interraction (if it happens like that) would necessarily mean things were moving in the wrong direction. I think it's just more of what KH perceives needs to happen before neither Rachel nor her readers can really fight it anymore.
And while I share your cynical view that Ravy hasn't happened due to audience concerns, I'm not quite as cynical as you to the motives. As you point out, KH has already gotten her readers pretty far along the path to Ravy without making them admit it yet. A few more books of a development here and a development there, and even the die-hards will run out of ways to justify it. If anything, I would think that's KH's ulterior motive. Can she build a relationship that nobody can deny, even without actually admitting that such a relationship exists. At least, that's how I see it.
Seriously, doesn't that just make you want to [Bring It On] yell like you care about something? [/BIO]
P.S. If you go to pg. 22 of the Quotes from Kim's Website thread, you can read another amazing break down of the Rachel/Ivy relationship and why it must be inevitable from drza44.
This is probably the best explanation of what's going on in the books, and what's likely to go on in the books that I've read. If things go as out lined here, I'm still gonna hate on K.H for being a lying liar who lies (and cock-blocks and is a book extension shenanigan-izer), but I will be insanely happy with the series overall arc and conclusion.
You know, I wish the things Kim said could make me half as excited as what is behind the cut did. Seriously, she should get drza44 to do PR for her, because I'm almost officially pumped for this series again, and that right there is a miracle, and who wouldn't want a miracle worker on their side?
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Date: 2009-04-23 02:42 am (UTC)And hey -- it seems that CB has re-recieved the title of KH in your typing. Or was that a mistake? ;)
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Date: 2009-04-23 02:51 am (UTC)Hopefully.
it seems that CB has re-recieved the title of KH in your typing. Or was that a mistake?
I try to refer to her as K.H. over at Rhombus since I didn't post my Cock Block McGee rants over there, so sometimes a K.H. slips in at LJ too, lol. But until she redeems herself a bit, she'll still be CBMcG in my heart.
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Date: 2009-04-23 02:56 am (UTC)Kim's biggest enemy in this department is really herself because the things she says in the Drama Box almost always enrage me AND almost always seem to contradict what she actually writes in the books.
I get that she doesn't want to alienate any members of the audience with the series theoretically only half-way through, but I think some well placed "No comments" would help her case more than being purposefully misleading.
She should use the Drama Box to answer questions about plot, about the world, to fill in details that might not have made it into the novels, etc. She SHOULDN'T use it as an opportunity to mislead people or blatantly lie (since I do believe that she knows where she is taking these taking these characters. Situations and how developments come about might change, but their overall trajectory has to be plotted).
If she doesn't want to give away her game plan, say, "Oh, what fun would that be. We're just going to have to follow them and see where things go". Responses like that don't give anything away, and they don't sound definitive in either way. The sky's the limit, that way.
Saying, "I don't see them ending up together" is a pretty strong statement. If she'd just gone, "Can't say, I guess you'll just have to read and find out" to relationship questions, I think I'd be very happily reading along right now, instead of very pissily considering reading along.
If/When there is a happily ever after for Rachel and Ivy in the series, I will be very happy, and I will feel that there was fantastic development and that the slow progression of their relationship was beautiful (but I will also dislike K.H a bit for saying "Nah, they're not gonna get together" when she knew full well they would).
Being lied to is pretty much never funny/cute/adorable. My love for the Ravy relationship will outweigh my annoyance with her, but the annoyance will still be there.
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Date: 2009-04-23 02:56 am (UTC)Can I be the Negative Nelly that's all like... um, no. It's a nice, well thought out analysis but, at the end of the day, I still feel like it's a story stretched out too friggin' far, many of these issues could have (and should have) been condensed, and don't get me started on the 'showcasing Trent' part; that was played out four books ago and I have no interest in seeing *that* dragged out ad infinitum. I'm tired of waiting for Rachel 'to grow up'. Girlfriend's twenty friggin' six, not twelve. And, more importantly, there's this:
Can she (KH) build a relationship that nobody can deny, even without actually admitting that such a relationship exists.
Would she deny its existence if the end game pairing were heterosexual? Call me cynical but KH isn't cock-blocking Rachel/Ivy for her gay audience, she's doing it for the audience that's going to need a 'clue by four' (and probably stop buying once they realize their proxy has the icky gay and won't be riding off into the sunset with their dreamboat of choice) and, honestly, FUCK THEM!!
If KH wants to play both sides of the fence to keep readers invested, that's her prerogative (honestly, I wish the woman would STFU when it comes to any and all Rachel/Ivy questions because she's so horribly bad at answering them). Doesn't mean I have to buy it.
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Date: 2009-04-23 03:08 am (UTC)This is why I love you, you share my hate! It's not pessimism, ya'll it's pragmatism.
I still feel like it's a story stretched out too friggin' far, many of these issues could have (and should have) been condensed, and don't get me started on the 'showcasing Trent' part; that was played out four books ago and I have no interest in seeing *that* dragged out ad infinitum.
This. Even is Cock Block DOES work things out to a Ravy ending, I'll still be annoyed at her because her money-grubbing DRAGGED THINGS ON FAR TOO LONG!
I'm tired of waiting for Rachel 'to grow up'. Girlfriend's twenty friggin' six, not twelve.
So true. I feel like Cock Block says that every book is the book where Rachel grows up, and Rachel never actually grows up. Because if she did grow up the series would have to end because she'd stop doing the stupid shit that gets her into trouble and creates the plots. CB said she took a step back from David because he was too sensible and would solve everyone's problems in minutes instead of kinda-solving them in 500 pages. If Rachel actually grows up and becomes sensible, the same thing would apply. So 'Rachel growing up' is just code for cock-blocking Ravy while giving her license to bang dudes through some bullshit logic.
Would she deny its existence if the end game pairing were heterosexual?
Absolutely, positively NOT! There is absolutely no doubt. If Ivy wasn't a female, and CB couldn't 'no homo' all of their interactions, the Rachel's feeling would have been acknowledge explicitly a long time ago, and there would have had to be movement forward. Because no one would buy that Rachel would live with this person who is clearly in love with her, and who she has some sort of attraction to, without acting on it. The thing is, Ivy being a female doesn't make Rachel's actions any more believable. It's still just as stupid, and additionally, it's fucking insulting.
honestly, I wish the woman would STFU when it comes to any and all Rachel/Ivy questions because she's so horribly bad at answering them
The gospel truth.
Kim's biggest enemy in this department is really herself because the things she says in the Drama Box always enrage me AND always seem to contradict what she actually writes in the books. Some well placed "No comments" would help her case more than being purposefully misleading or blatantly lying about what's going to happen (since I do believe that she knows where she is taking these taking these characters. Situations and how developments come about might change, but their overall trajectory has to be plotted).
If she doesn't want to give away her game plan, say, "Oh, what fun would that be. We're just going to have to follow them and see where things go". Responses like that don't give anything away, and they don't sound definitive in either way.
Saying, "I don't see them ending up together" is a pretty strong statement. If she'd just gone, "Can't say, I guess you'll just have to read and find out" to relationship questions, I think I'd be very happily reading along right now, instead of very pissily considering reading along.
If/When there is a happily ever after for Rachel and Ivy in the series, I will be very happy, and I will feel that there was fantastic development and that progression of their relationship was beautiful - although way, way to dragged out - but I will also dislike CB for saying "Nah, they're not gonna get together" when she knew full well they would.
Being lied to purpose so that someone can have your money is NOT funny/cute/adorable, or anything other than enraging.
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Date: 2009-04-23 03:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-04-24 08:38 pm (UTC)Well, if I have ANY will power at all, this probably won't happen because I won't read anymore of the books. But if I am weak, I will let you know whether to keep avoiding it like the plague, or whether Kim has smartened up.
Hopefully though, I'll just read other people posts to pick up on the Ravy developments, and only ever read another one of the books after the series is over and I know for sure whether Rachel and Ivy end up together.
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Date: 2009-04-23 03:46 am (UTC)21 Apr 2009
Kim, From comments I have seen on this site and other interviews it seems like you have already decided that Ivy and Rachel are not going to be a couple or lovers. Is my interpretation of your comments correct or is there still hope? I personally think that you have written the story and emotions very well between the two of them that it is difficult to see a happy ending if my understanding is correct.
4/22/09 -- There is always hope, but I don't see them ending up together. Rachel is to flaky to be a good match for Ivy. It would never last. But no fear, I will have happy endings for both of them. --Kim
So I guess that even though Rachel is supposedly growing up in the next book, at the end of the series she will still be a flake who can't admit what she feels for Ivy.
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Date: 2009-04-24 09:06 pm (UTC)Do you know of things without cock-block, or at least where the cock-blocking give way to F/F loving at the end? I need some of that.
What do you think about e-books?
I don't have the fancy reader things to carry them around with me, but I'm used to reading things on the computer screen so I don't mind. Do you have deliciousness that I could read? *puppy dog eyes*
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Date: 2009-04-23 05:12 am (UTC)Ok, I'm suffering from major incoherence tonight so I'm gonna shut up now.
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Date: 2009-04-23 01:58 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2009-04-23 10:48 am (UTC)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptos
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Date: 2009-04-23 03:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-04-23 12:27 pm (UTC)Can she just make up her mind and stop messing around on the Rachel/Ivy relationship??? One minute they are not getting together no way no how and then she posts something like this that leaves the idea open
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Date: 2009-04-23 02:42 pm (UTC)I think I may have to stop reading this thread because it messes with my emotions too much. The woman is messing with us. You cannot trust anything she says, because she either doesn't really know herself (I mean, really you haven't decided whether Ivy was abstinate during those 3 years?) or she won't say because she doesn't actually want to reveal anything.
She'll just continue to say one thing, then contradict herself, the go back to saying the opposite, only to contradict herself again. It's the same as Rachel's, "Don't bite me. Hmm, fangs, but don't bite me. Okay, bite me ... no, now don't bite me! But I love your fangs and want you to bite me ... but you can't!"
I don't know what I feel anymore. It's like I'm Vizzini in The Princess Bride trying to figure out which glass Westly put the iocane power in:
But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
We just won't know until she writes it, just like Vizzini didn't know until he died.
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Date: 2009-04-23 09:51 pm (UTC)There needs to be a Get Ivy Laid Ficathon. With crossovers. Like a Cylon Cult worshipping Ivy and having Six+Eight parties for her while Rachel makes eyes at Cavil. Because Rachel is totally Boomer.
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Date: 2009-04-23 07:03 pm (UTC)It's nice of KH to reply to all of the comments in her site. And it's fine to clarify about plot points and the motivations of the character themselves. But I'd rather she keep some of the stuff to herself...especially about the direction of the characters' relationships (something she claimed to not being able to control). If she wants to keep her fans happy, the best thing is to not answer or be vague when those type of question crops up. We'd still be frustrated but at least there won't be so much hate mixed in with the love. Heh...
P/S: Fringe ep17 totally made my day~ Anna Torv kissing girls again *brain melts* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXcyUH7tAxc) Olivia/Ginger!Stripper = H.O.T
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From:Hey
Date: 2009-04-24 10:15 pm (UTC)This demotivator basically sums up Ravy in a nutshell.
~Alphawolf (cool, I didn't realise you had a livejournal site -you have voiced my frustration very eloquently for this series *grins*)
Re: Hey
Date: 2009-04-24 10:32 pm (UTC)BRILLIANT! It really does seem to sum up Ravy at the moment, especially the 'Ra' part of Ravy. At this point, I honestly think Ivy deserves so much better than Rachel (but Ivy's pity parade is also starting to bug. I could totally see her thinking that deserves the misery that is being around Rachel). At the very least, the two of them should be isolated from the rest of society so that their mutual idiotic and angsty shenanigans don't affect the rest of the population. They (mostly Rachel, though) need to be quarantined.
*sigh*
It amuses me so much that Rachel is shunned now. I take so much joy in it, because her destructive ass should have been shunned ages ago. She's like an elephant in a china shop. I don't care how good her intentions are, if I was one of the people who's shops she destroyed and who's house she set on fire or any number of other destructive things she's done, I'd want her ass shunned too.
Nice to see you over here at El-Jay, I hope to see you around :D
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Date: 2009-07-13 07:53 pm (UTC)There's an "Ivy and Rachel" playlist... and she says:
"Finally, there have been a few songs that relate to both Rachel and Ivy, but the one that I feel captures the situation best has got to be "My Immortal" by Evanescence. The power and depth of that piece of music has left a mark on me, and won't let go."
(http://www.kimharrison.net/YGSR.htm)
Okay, "My Immortal"... depressing and well, fitting... considering living undead vamp stuff..., but still!!! Who thinks of their best FRIEND when listening to THAT song?!?!
And Joan Jett: "I Hate Myself For Loving You"??
How suggesting is that?
Maybe you should write a post about those songs one day...
Re: music
Date: 2009-07-13 07:59 pm (UTC)http://www.kimharrison.net/extended_rachelandivy.htm
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