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Oh man, my girls episode hasn't even aired yet and the TWoP L Word board is already alight with people calling out for her Nordic blood! (or for her to come sit next to them!). What you may ask could have these Lphiles calling for my ladies blood, well this quote apparently from a recent interview interview:
Her character will be on the series through the rest of the season, but unlike Shepherd and Matlin, Loken has no plans to return to the show, regardless of whether 'Painkiller Jane' is a hit. She called Chaiken and the other producers and writers 'fantastic,' but said her 'L Word' run was soured by 'the most difficult cast I've ever worked with.' 'I'm not naming names,' she said. 'Let's just start with the fact that it's an entire show of women. And the amount of egos and insecurities and cattiness that can go on with a bunch of women - that's what you get. It attracts certain people that want to do something different in their career, but the girls were tough. You know?' Loken continued.
Personally, I'm in the 'come sit next to me' category (oh, come on at least pretend to be surprised by that!). All of the behind the scenes news on this show has always been more fascinating to me than the actual show, and this season it's been especially fun because of the main casts bitterness with everything Chaiken. Ever since Erin Daniels departure certain cast members have been bitching about how things just arent' the same, pretty much everyone has complained about their storylines, Beals and Holloman are purposefully acting against direction in their quest to get Bette and Tina back together, and everyone has been disgruntled and vocal about their dissatisfaction with the shows ever expanding cast. Not to mention that the cast apparently had absolutely nothing to do with Ion Overman when she was on the show, former cast member Karina Lombard was openly mocked on some season 2 DVDs, and other guest stars not to mention Sarah Shahi (before she and her Shahi's were fully initiated) talked about the fact that it was a difficult cast to integrate into. And this was before their storylines went to shit, Dana died, and the ensemble went from around 7 to 17.
Sounds like a fun work enviroment to me. I'm shocked that Kris didn't find it to be sunshine, lollipops, rainbows and everything that's wonderful.
It's hilarious to me, that with BloodRayne under her belt and unemployment looming in the future that she was like "later bitches!" and asked not be brought back. Thank goodness Painkiller Jane came along though because I don't think I'd have been as amused if it meant that I couldn't watch Kris on my TV every week.
Still, despite all the drah-mah, based on the highlighted parts below I think I'll enjoy Kris's run on the L Word, brief as it may be.
Did she choose her route down the genre road? 'Not really, not really,' Loken said. 'I feel like it chose me.' She laughed, and added: 'I've been this height since I was 18 years old. On 'The L Word' it didn't really matter because we're all the same lying down, and that's what we did for half the show.'
Anyway, I'm glad that my girl is in fighting form thanks to Painkiller Jane because if she encounters a genuine L Word fan on the street there just might be a throw down.
Totally can't wait for this weeks episode!
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Date: 2007-01-27 01:41 am (UTC)Anyways, Kris rocks for not putting up with that stuff. More power to her.
On 'The L Word' it didn't really matter because we're all the same lying down, and that's what we did for half the show.'
*goes to a happy place*
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Date: 2007-01-27 02:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-01-27 06:44 am (UTC)Did she have some interesting things to say about her role on The L Word. If there was something practically sexy or interesting please tell me, please. Help out this poor Canadian soul *puppy dog face*
*kicks Chapters*
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Date: 2007-01-27 09:20 am (UTC)"I don't think on-screen Kate's ever had a lover who
(a) has been in same-sex relationships [in real life] and
(b) has been physically bigger than her," says Loken.
"She's fairly tall but she's very skinny, while I'm almost a 6-foot, 150-pound woman. So there was a little bit of this back-and-forth thing before the first love scene-we can chuckle about it now-like, 'Who's gonna be on top?' I relented and was like [to her], 'You know what? Just try it. Just go for it.'
You'll have to watch to see how that ended," says Loken with a huge grin, implying that it was no contest.
"I think she and Kate have amazing chemistry on-screen-it's neat to see Shane contest with Paige," says Robinson. And se¬ries creator Ilene Chaiken describes them simply as "hot together."
Tall girl power! I think the girl is pretty serious about on being on top, lol.
NB: I tried to post this once but the formatting was really too horrible. Hopefully this is better.
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Date: 2007-01-27 05:17 pm (UTC)*gets a touch of the vapours*
Could these be the most glorious 3 paragraphs ever written? Probably not but they're frakking close to it :D
I think the girl is pretty serious about on being on top, lol.
I know! I think she's trying to kill me with hotness. She totally means business. That's totally fine with me. I mean, someone's gotta be on the bottom ... or against the wall/stall, or propped on the counter ... and I'm an agreeable enough person that I wouldn't mind it being me, lol. It's even hotter that she seems to make it a habit to top other tops. That's sassy!
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Date: 2007-01-27 06:40 pm (UTC)I was pretty much reduced to incoherence after I read this. esp. if you add this other bit
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Date: 2007-01-27 06:57 pm (UTC)o_O! Seriously? This is crying out for some rpfs, lol.
someone's gotta be on the bottom ... or against the wall/stall, or propped on the counter ... and I'm an agreeable enough person that I wouldn't mind it being me, lol.
Uh, oh...inappropriate visuals of Janine with Kris...no good, bad, wrong...crossing virtual boundaries and stuff...hey you gotta help me out here, careful with those words...lol
It's even hotter that she seems to make it a habit to top other tops. That's sassy!
I love that she just seems to be taking it as the natural order of things, but she's so good natured about it, I don't know how anyone wouldn't be more than willing to go along. It's just the cutest thing ever.
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Date: 2007-01-27 07:12 pm (UTC)guh...guh...*dies* She is ungodly hot. I swear, at this point I don't think it's possible for her to be sexier or more perfect (okay, even as I type that I know I'm lying, because when we actually get to see Paige in motion in all of her aggressiveness it'll be supernova hot, but I'll be a muddle of goo and unable to type then so I'll just put it out there now!).
What kills me is that I probably won't get to see the episode until Monday or Tuesday *cries* Stupid Canada with no frakking Showtime and Showcase airing a season behind *kicks Canada* I will not be denied! ... well, except that I will.
inappropriate visuals
Oh, come on, we both know those are the best kind of visuals. Especially when they involve Loken. *gasp* The thought just occured to me that we may have Loken nudity (how this idea escaped me before I don't know!). The L Word certainly doesn't shy away from it, and Kris showed off the girls in BloodRayne so ... (I didn't imagine that, right? She showed off the girls in BloodRayne, didn't she?)
I love that she just seems to be taking it as the natural order of things
Oh, I know. I think that's why its so cute and sexy. It's like she'll humor people by being on the bottom for a while, because she knows eventually they'll come to their senses and she's queen of the castle again.
but she's so good natured about it, I don't know how anyone wouldn't be more than willing to go along. It's just the cutest thing ever.
Word. Everytime I read an interview with her I love her more. She's very playful which I enjoy, but like not full of bullshit. She's got that beautiful head screwed on straight, seems pretty self aware and perceptive, and of course is powerfully sexy. Me likey.
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Date: 2007-01-27 09:51 pm (UTC)Crying right along with you as I'm not going to be able to see the eps for a while either. Stupid travelling.
Kris showed off the girls in BloodRayne so ... (I didn't imagine that, right? She showed off the girls in BloodRayne, didn't she?)
Bloodrayne didn't eat your brains, she did show them off :D. Loken nudity was probably written into the contract as a prereq to her getting hired on the L Word, lol. You know that Angela Robinson totally watched Bloodrayne too.
She's very playful which I enjoy, but like not full of bullshit. She's got that beautiful head screwed on straight
Right there I think you have the reason why it was going to be a clash of two worlds with the crazy girl drama that the L Word people have got to be living in if they think that the stuff they've been producing for the past couple of years is anything like a reflection of how we are.
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Date: 2007-01-27 10:29 pm (UTC)lol, good. I'm glad that my pervyness hasn't reached THAT level yet!
Loken nudity was probably written into the contract as a prereq to her getting hired on the L Word, lol.
If there is any justice in the world this will be so. I mean, I did call Ilene the female version of Uwe Boll, and if Uwe was able to get her nudish I'm sure Ilene was able too as well, lol.
You know that Angela Robinson totally watched Bloodrayne too.
Oh, dude I hope Angela is directing one of the episodes that Kris is in. Preferably one with Shane/Paige mackage and sexin'. *twirls* I heart Angela Robinson.
the crazy girl drama that the L Word people have got to be living in if they think that the stuff they've been producing for the past couple of years is anything like a reflection of how we are.
Oh I know. This show just ... *shudders* Ilene and EZ and the other creative powers behind this show are insane. How they think that anything they are doing is innovative and intriguing or even slightly good is beyond me. Completely delusional. I think the actors at least realize that the show is pretty shitty, but they're contractually bound to stay with it ... and really, what else would the majority of them do without it? Which is why there's so much drah-mah going on over there.
Over at TWoP they're talking about Kris not exactly being A-list and making enemies, but she's as hell got more lined up and under her belt than the majority of the cast. You look at their IMDB enteries and there's tumbleweeds blowing through. Seriously, what is Leisha Hailey going to do ban Kris from staring in Yoplait ads, or Jennifer Beals blacklist her from bad Lifetime movies of the week? Maybe Kate Moennig will have her name struck off of the list of people allowed to make 5 min. cameo's in shitty independant movies.
In any case, I can imagine that L Word land is a ... unique environment, that obviously some people are too sane to be able to deal with. Whatever, Kris can go and produce her show about mutants that will probably still be more realistic and require less suspension of disbelief than TLW.
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Date: 2007-01-28 12:19 am (UTC)She is! I'm going to stop giving you the interview in bits, here's the whole thing
Sounds like Kris and Angela got along great and had a god time working together which I hope will translate to some fun projects in the future.
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Date: 2007-01-28 07:42 am (UTC)One can only hope. My god, could you imagine if Angela managed to get Kristanna and Jordana Brewster together in the same project (ANY project, I'm not gonna be greedy) ... I swear the movie would have to come with a warning label.
Seriously though, I'd love to see a collaboration between the two of them, because Angela's awesome, and Kris is awesome which could only spawn more awesome (I'm pretty sure that can be proven mathematically).
Also, "There's just no drama with her-she's really fun..." if Angela says it then it must be true. I just liked that quote in addition to what we had been discussing earlier.
P.S. I added a screenshot I found of Shane and Paige meeting for the first time. Not loving the shirt, but as Tim Gunn would say, Kristanna "makes it work" or maybe the extremely open 'V' makes it work. Seriously, in a couple more years Paige's kid is gonna be extremely popular, lol
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Date: 2007-01-28 03:38 pm (UTC)I'm thinking positive thoughts. I don't know why it wouldn't happen. You heard Angela say in the Queer Lounge clip that Girltrash is basically about 'asskicking girls who kick ass'. Sounds like she likes those kinds of projects, and if that isn't a good start for a movie with Kris, you can always add Jordanna to the mix. Although there'd be a Shane effect I would think. Kris would totally top her even if Jordanna gives it her best shot. Which would be very worthwhile of course :D.
Not loving the shirt, but as Tim Gunn would say, Kristanna "makes it work" or maybe the extremely open 'V' makes it work.
Is that a pastel tie dye shirt? Lol. Works for me.
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Date: 2007-01-28 05:14 pm (UTC)That's my kind of woman. I totally love her sensibility (well, for her own projects, not so much when she needs a paycheck to pay off the mortgage and does Disney projects). I could watch funny movies about girls kicking ass and making out with each infinity billion times.
Although there'd be a Shane effect I would think. Kris would totally top her even if Jordanna gives it her best shot
lol. I don't know, I don't think Kris would have to work very hard to dominate Jordana. Jordana's pretty shy, and describes herself as being the opposite of Lucy Diamond personality wise, actually more of an Amy. They'd probably have long verbal battles with witty repartee though. Which is hot. And then Kris would be on top.
Is that a pastel tie dye shirt? Lol. Works for me.
It is indeed pastel tie die. And it works for me too ... but only because it's on Kris. She could be wearing a burlap sack and I'd be like "That's hot". I think the best option is that she just go nude.
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Date: 2007-01-28 05:56 pm (UTC)We so need more funny movies that just take it for granted that the girls that kick ass are going to want to make out with each other. One of the things I love about DEBS is that Angela did such a great job of making a fun, girl centric movie, that's basically a lesbian love story - with the obligatory ass kicking - but totally age appropriate for anyone in the family. I can't think of any other movie that comes close to this level of good, clean fun for the whole family while being about lesbians.
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Date: 2007-01-27 02:31 am (UTC)I absolutely feel this way around large groups of lesbians. Its horrid.
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Date: 2007-01-27 04:29 am (UTC)To be fair, I don't think this is a lesbian thing, I think this happens with straight women also. I had this weird experience a couple of months back when I went to a foreign (ultra straight) women meeting in Tokyo. I think there were sane people sitting quietly in the back, but for some reason the meeting and the organization seemed to have been taken over by the mental ones.
The good news is that it makes it easier to find the girls that don't fit that mold, so hang in there!
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Date: 2007-01-27 05:17 am (UTC)LOL. Yeah... it's probably everyone. It's just that 98% of the world is crazy and such.
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Date: 2007-01-27 09:27 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-01-27 06:42 am (UTC)lol, to say the least. Especially this season. Take a look at this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL2AaCQoalM) video to see some of the dynamics at work (it's pretty much the last segment). It's Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey at an event promoting ourchart with Ilene Chaiken, and they both just look like they want her to die ... slowly and painful. Kate actually cracks me up because it's like she's not even bothering to try and hide her annoyance. You compare that to Mandy Musgrave and Gabrielle Christian who ever interviewed with Angela Robinson about GirlTrash right before the L Girls interview and you can really see the tension in the L Word one. I so would have loved to be a fly on that set. I don't think any of the cast meant to be, I dont' know .... dismissive or whatever. I just think they were really unhappy in general and that had to translate into their attitudes on set. Not to mention that the newbies (Cybil and Marlee) have been getting almost all of the press, and I see a lot of very unhappy campers.
I end up feeling like I'm in an artificial environment where people have strange mental problems and downwardly mobile aspirations I cannot relate to.
I've got to second to third this. And like you said, it's not just lesbians, but large groups of females that are put together. And I don't like to say it as a woman, but much of the time (though not all of the time) it's true. Just this week I was dealing with girl drama and just ... ugh.
Anyways, Kris rocks for not putting up with that stuff. More power to her.
Oh, I know. I'm lucky to work with a group of cool females that are sane and smart and funny, but if I had to deal with crazy girl drama at work I'd go insane. People over on TWoP are talking about how unprofessional the comments were, but all Kris said, without naming names, was that she didn't enjoy the work environment *gasp* Honestly, what I think is unprofessional is letting your personal feelings intfere with your professional work and taking out your frustrations on co-stars for basically existing.
*goes to a happy place*
Oh, I know. I think I'll be taking up permanent residence in a happy place, or well at least until Kris's run on the show is over.
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Date: 2007-01-27 10:06 am (UTC)Mandy and Gabby do happy-go-lucky very well. They take the questions about the parties and the skiing, Angela does the serious project questions. I feel a Mabrielle alert coming on!
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Date: 2007-01-27 05:26 pm (UTC)Oh, I know. Watching it was kind of uncomfortable. I mean, I know Ilene was kind of blabbing on, but they are actresses and you'd think they'd be able to hide their disdain better. Leisha had least was giving it a go, but Kate looked like she was barely controlling the urge to yell, "Shut up, shut up, shut up!" and kick Chaiken in the shins.
Very hostile, and I could totally see the set being a very uncomfortable place if you weren't part of the "She-Woman Ilene Haters Club".
That being said, I'm really curious who the real bitches on set were, because from Kris's Adovcate Interview it sounded like she liked working with Kate. I'm totally going to be keeping an eye on who she has screen time with.
Mandy and Gabby do happy-go-lucky very well. They take the questions about the parties and the skiing, Angela does the serious project questions. I feel a Mabrielle alert coming on!
So true. They are so adorable. I love them. They looked especially cute in their winter gear. I thought it was sweet how they looked at each other and then threw the question over to Angela. GirlTrash seems like its going to be tons of fun. Plus, I take this as utter confirmation that it is in no way a joke and in a month or so we WILL be seeing webisodes :D So yay!
Bring on the Mabrielle. Considering my feelings about Spashley right now, I think I could use some good Mabrielle ficage.
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Date: 2007-01-27 10:12 pm (UTC)It may just be that the atmosphere was so bad that even if noone was going after Kris, it just wouldn't have been a happy place to work. Why hang around if everybody you work with is miserable and talking about it? It's a downer and sucks the energy and creativity out of everybody.
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Date: 2007-01-27 10:37 pm (UTC)That's very true. She just said that it was a difficult cast in general, not that anything was done or said to her in particular. If the cast has been unhappy with their storyline and the creative powers behind the show, they might have been arguing about lines (I know JB and LuH talked about giving their own spin to scenes with their characters against what Ilene wanted, so directors etc. might have had a problem with that that extended shoots or made the atmosphere awkward), and just been generally morose and uncooperative.
Why hang around if everybody you work with is miserable and talking about it? It's a downer and sucks the energy and creativity out of everybody.
So true, and Loken clearly agrees with you! It's just a job, and if you have options why not leave an unpleasant experience behind.
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Date: 2007-01-28 01:09 pm (UTC)anyway, I think it is great that Kristina does not sell her integrity and give up fun just to be on the L word by doing the whole "the show is great, the cast is one big happy family" spiel.
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Date: 2007-01-27 02:20 am (UTC)I've read some of the behind scenes stuff but, oh man, I didn't realize it was *that* bad. I stopped going to TWoP's L-Word boards somewhere around the *first* time it got locked. That particular fans are freaking out because someone didn't talk about their favs in the most glorious and glamorous light is no surprise to me whatsoever.
And, dude, I'm totally dropping my Showtime subscription the day after Loken's exit. If it weren't for Dexter so frakkin' addictive, I wouldn't have had a subscription at all.
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Date: 2007-01-27 02:25 am (UTC)Anyway, I'm glad that my girl is in fighting form thanks to Painkiller Jane because if she encounters a genuine L Word fan on the street there just might be a throw down.
With all the Loken
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Date: 2007-01-27 04:34 am (UTC)This seems like a totally worthwhile rumor to start, lol. It should shut up the Lphiles gone wild.
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Date: 2007-01-27 06:58 am (UTC)See, here's a woman that knows how to take care of her
stalkersfans. I would totally throw down for my boo, and at 5'10 3/4 I totally have an Amazonian physique as well and would gladly crush some Lphiles in the name of Loken. If her trying to dominate me (tm Pink) is the price I pay for that, I'll go out looking for some L Word fans to stomp on right now (well, maybe in the morning)no subject
Date: 2007-01-27 06:54 am (UTC)God, I know that was brutal.
I've read some of the behind scenes stuff but, oh man, I didn't realize it was *that* bad. I stopped going to TWoP's L-Word boards somewhere around the *first* time it got locked. That particular fans are freaking out because someone didn't talk about their favs in the most glorious and glamorous light is no surprise to me whatsoever.
lol, yeah apparently it's gotten pretty bad in L Word land. You should check out this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL2AaCQoalM) video. It's Queer Lounge at the Sundance Film Festival and at the end of the clip, Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey are shown with Ilene Chaiken, and looks of pure hate and annoyance that they send her way are gold.
And the fans over at TWoP are ridiculous. You should hear the way they're going on about JB (she's "complex" and "sensitive" and "shy" and "the quintessential Bette Porter" and poops gold bricks and rescues orphan kitties), like she's the second coming or something. I mean, I like JB fine, but she's not Aphrodite incarnate or something. They're like "how dare someone imply that these women aren't absolutely perfect in every way! Loken should be glad that she had the opportunity to breath the same air as them, and if it wasn't for the L Word she would be living in a ditch somewhere fighting hobo's for week old pizza crust!"
And, dude, I'm totally dropping my Showtime subscription the day after Loken's exit. If it weren't for Dexter so frakkin' addictive, I wouldn't have had a subscription at all.
Fight the power! Totally drop it. I love me some "Dexter", but because I can't get Showtime where I live anyway I have to download it. Loken is the only thing that has me watching TLW this year though and as soon as Paige makes her exit I'm gone too.
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Date: 2007-01-27 10:08 am (UTC)Basically, you're my kind of people. Keep doing what you're doing.
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Date: 2007-01-27 07:30 pm (UTC)I will so be tuning into Painkiller Jane as soon as it airs.
*woot* I love it. Painkiller Jane already has a fanbase and it hasn't even aired yet!
Basically, you're my kind of people. Keep doing what you're doing.
No worries there, ramblings not just what I do ... it's who I am! Look forward to rambling with you in the future :D
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Date: 2007-01-27 08:04 pm (UTC)I'm lierdumoa on lj chat, google chat, aim, pretty much everything (except icq) if you ever want to talk out of comments.
:)
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Date: 2007-01-27 11:49 am (UTC)The TWOP and other types of communities seem to be filled with people who either think the sun shines out of an actor/creator's backside or that they're the devil's child come to earth. It's such a weird environment that it's best not to venture near, just in case you get contaminated.
Now we just need to hope the people at Painkiller Jane see sense and give Kris's character someone little she can dominate... I wonder if Michelle is free?
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Date: 2007-01-27 07:49 pm (UTC)lol, I'm not usually big on behind the scenes gossip either, but this intrigued me. Honestly until this season I hadn't paid much attention to the gossip, but it was inescapable this year. In fact, I think that the only thing that could keep me watching after Loken's departure is if a video of the cast fighting over a croissant turns up on youtube. The insane gossip is actually more interesting to me than the show (though I will admit this season is leaps and bounds above seasons 2 and 3 so far).
The TWOP and other types of communities seem to be filled with people who either think the sun shines out of an actor/creator's backside or that they're the devil's child come to earth. It's such a weird environment that it's best not to venture near, just in case you get contaminated.
So true. Everyone is either demonized or canonized over there. And they are harsh to the extreme when they don't like someone. There is no grey area or middle ground.
Anyway, I'll be staying away from that board in the near future because I can't take landblasting Kristanna while acting as if Jennifer Beals Socrates and Mother Teresa rolled into one (dudettes, she didn't say anyone's name. Why are you assuming that she's talking about Jennifer Beals? Maybe there was a really surly craft service lady on set. Calm down.)
Now we just need to hope the people at Painkiller Jane see sense and give Kris's character someone little she can dominate...
I think what I love about Painkiller Jane (and you know Kris has got to love it too) is that she is going to dominate everyone on that show. Like just totally pwn them.
I wonder if Michelle is free?
According to imdb she is. Plus, you know she's got to be spending some time up in Vancouver anyway visiting her boo, so why not pick up a pay check while she's at it. As co-exec producer, Loken could certainly hook her up for a story arc.