A Hollows post ... I promise, this one isn't a rant!

[fembuck]

On pg. 362 of WWBC, Rachel is mixing a spell that goes like this:

"Wine to give life, dust to give substance, ivy to bind, and holly to be sure nothing bad came in on the souls of the dead."

The ingredients of ivy and holly, when this book has two major characters named after the ingredients just really captured my attention, and now I can't get the idea out of my head that somehow Holly will be a key part of saving Ivy's soul. 

Wine to give life, wine could equal blood here which goes give life and is linked to aura sharing.  Dust I'm not so sure about, but it makes me think of Jenks.  Ivy to bind, of course makes me think of Ivy and then with the wine/blood thing, it makes me think of binding process.  Maybe love is a major component and Rachel will have to be bound to Ivy to save her soul, only maybe it will bind them equally together so that there's no icky imbalance of power.  And then of course, Holly's ability  (that whole being able to transfer an aura back into a person thing) will able to make the aura stick in some way.  I mean, a whole thing was even made about how Remus is able to hold Holly because of this gift, and all book Rachel is bitching about not being able to hold/touch Ivy.

I would actually love it if this were the case, because it would mean that Ivy kind of selflessly giving her wish up to someone else so that they could find love, comes back in a beautiful karmic circle and allows her to keep her soul which will allow her to finally love and be loved in return. 

It's probably a throw away line that means nothing, especially since it's part of a spell to get Mr. Darcy back (and it's only Book 7), but I finally had a thought about this book that didn't involve rage, so I thought I would share it!

P.S.  The pictures for my other two Hollows rants should be up and working again by tomorrow or Tuesday!

Also, because I just remember this thought I'd had earlier ... is there any reason, Ivy didn't just wish to be able to keep her soul after her first death?  I mean, I know that it wouldn't have helped vampires everywhere, but since the idea of losing her soul tortures her so much, why not just wish to keep it.  Maybe this was addressed, but I don't remember.

Comments

[ic1pher.livejournal.com]

Well she might have tried wishing to keep her soul but as stated in the first book, some wishes were too difficult to do. Interesting point anyhow about the foreshadowing, you never know about those things. I already completely forgot that part because I seem to automatically block everything else out that isn't Ravy or serious plot action.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Well she might have tried wishing to keep her soul but as stated in the first book, some wishes were too difficult to do.

Oh yeah, I remember something about that in DWW now. I'd imagine that WOULD be a difficult one.

I already completely forgot that part because I seem to automatically block everything else out that isn't Ravy or serious plot action.

lol, I'm like that too! I only remembered this because I literally read it, and then came here and posted because I was so happy to have a thought about WWBC that wasn't drenched in disdain. And it's Ravy implications (possibly) are the only reason I even care, lol

[wishing-wounds.livejournal.com]

That's a fabulous theory. If it ends up like that, I'll hug Kim Harrison across state lines.

[ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com]

You kno0w, I dwelled on the whole ivy & holly too for a little bit, but that'd mean Kim has been lining that up since Two Ghosts for Sister Rachel when she first mixed up that spell...

[orange-creative.livejournal.com]

I would actually love it if this were the case, because it would mean that Ivy kind of selflessly giving her wish up to someone else so that they could find love, comes back in a beautiful karmic circle and allows her to keep her soul which will allow her to finally love and be loved in return.

Ya know, it's just too clean. A plot point that is neatly tied up while not being a throw-away sub-plot scene in the book? I just don't have that much optimism. >.> Still, I do remember that some wishes were too hard to grant, but it would be pretty kickass if in giving away her wish she was still able to get her biggest wish through it. That's good writing... which is why I don't think it'll happen.

:(

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Cock Block will be able to redeem herself a lot in my eyes if something like this happens.

Although, I have to say I'm almost finished WWBC right now, and I'm less annoyed than I was a few days ago. Rachel's concern for Ivy after her aura was ripped away, and her constant thinking about Ivy when she was gone, not to mention her giddy puppy response to Ivy coming home won me over a little. I also loved Rache ogling the shit out of Ivy in all of bloodfilled glory. Ivy and Glenn is actually not bugging me at all, since Ivy seems happy, and happy Ivy is actually kind of a laugh riot. And Rachel actually made a good decision (not fighting Mia while her aura was compromised) and stuck to her guns even with Edden egging her on (and wow, how much of a douche nozzle is Edden with all of that shit. The woman was hospitalized like two days before, back the fuck off buddy!)

So, in typical Cock Block fashion, the ending of the book is strong enough to make me soften and kind of love this again. Although, Pierce has got to go. He is the most annoying idiot ever. The way it talk makes me want to scratch my eyes out!

[wishing-wounds.livejournal.com]

I liked WWBC's ending the most out of the last few. And there really needs to be more happy Ivy.

I hope Pierce does something really stupid with Al that Rachel ditches him entirely.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

but that'd mean Kim has been lining that up since Two Ghosts for Sister Rachel when she first mixed up that spell...

Yeah, I don't know if this little theory will pan out. Probably not. It is kind of a throw away line, but I would really love it if Holly WAS involved, so that Ivy's wish will benefit her in a round about way. And with how Holly helps Ford, I think we're not supposed to think of her as a creature of pure evil. It's just finding out how she can use her unique gifts for good now.

Also, as a side note, I'm almost finished the book now, and I'm not hating on it as much as I was before. Mostly that's because she's back to the core: the plot and Team Vampiric Charms instead of Rachel angst, so she's playing to her strong suits right now. But, my hate is definitely cooling.

Rachel's concern for Ivy after her aura was ripped away, and her constant thinking about Ivy when she was gone, not to mention her giddy puppy response to Ivy coming home won me over a little. I also loved Rache ogling the shit out of Ivy in all of bloodfilled glory. Ivy and Glenn is actually not bugging me at all, since Ivy seems happy, and happy Ivy is actually kind of a laugh riot. And Rachel actually made a good decision (not fighting Mia while her aura was compromised) and stuck to her guns even with Edden egging her on (and wow, how much of a douche nozzle is Edden with all of that shit. The woman was hospitalized like two days before, back the fuck off buddy!)

So, in typical Cock Block fashion, the ending of the book is strong enough to make me soften and kind of love this again. Although, Pierce has got to go. He is the most annoying idiot ever. The way it talk makes me want to scratch my eyes out!

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

I just don't have that much optimism.
That's good writing... which is why I don't think it'll happen.

Heh. I totally understand your complete lack of faith. This would also involve rewarding Ivy, instead of punishing her, which doesn't bode well for it actually happening ;) (I used the wink, but I kind of believe that).

*sigh*

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

And there really needs to be more happy Ivy.

This! Ivy is so much fun when Cock Block isn't heaping constant angst on her.

"Will there be news vans and screaming? ... Count me in."

"My mother always said I came from heaven." I died laughing at his. Oh, Ivy.

"You're a fun date. People look at you." LOL!

I hope Pierce does something really stupid with Al that Rachel ditches him entirely.

He probably will. Al's constant, "He's gonna kill you" isn't exactly subtle hinting. Pierce is gonna end up being a douche, I just wish he would hurry up about. He is too annoying. I just want him to shut up all the time. At least Marshall was just boring (although, Marshall kind of cracked me up in his break up scene with Rachel. He was just like "Damn, woman. Damn. I tried, but Damn. Goddamn! Bye")

[wishing-wounds.livejournal.com]

At least Marshall was just boring (although, Marshall kind of cracked me up in his break up scene with Rachel. He was just like "Damn, woman. Damn. I tried, but Damn. Goddamn! Bye")

Of course Ivy would be like, "Wow, man. You have no staying power. Do you know how much I've gone through for her? Pansy."

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Of course Ivy would be like, "Wow, man. You have no staying power. Do you know how much I've gone through for her? Pansy."

I know, right. Of course, you know Ivy has more staying power than Marshall in every way. She is a masterpiece after all. But yeah, whenever a "I Went Through X For Rachel Morgan" competition starts up, nobody would ever be able to beat Rachel.

[wishing-wounds.livejournal.com]

Jenks would probably be the judge. It would take all of his kids to carry Ivy's list.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

It would take all of his kids to carry Ivy's list.

BWAH! So true. He'd probably need to take Matalina out back to the garden to make a few more babies, cause you know Ivy's list is only going to continue growing.

[wishing-wounds.livejournal.com]

If I had the time, I'd find some way to make that into a fic, LOL.

[ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com]

Well, I still maintain that Pierce is "too good" to stick around as a love interest for long. He may linger, but I don't think it'll be as Rachel's man.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Well, I still maintain that Pierce is "too good" to stick around as a love interest for long.

I don't even see how "Pierce" is too good. He's an annoying little shit. I can't believe that we are suppose to find him charming. At all. Nick did the whole questionable but rogishly charming things WAY better, and Kisten did the knight in shinning armor, Mr. Perfect thing way better. Hell, even Marshall offered "nice, safe, normal" existence in a way that Pierce never could. Ivy of course eclipses everyone in her awesomeness, but Pierce is easily the worst of Rachel's boyfriends so far. I cannot stand him. I hate him almost as much as I hate David (his only saving grace was staring wide-eyed at fire trucks. That kind of amused me).

But, yeah. I don't think he's going to be around for long. The next book will like be a redo of Book 4 where Pierce is revealed to be a super douche ala Nick. But again, been there, done that. And Nick did it better.

[ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com]

I don't even see how "Pierce" is too good.

I was meaning from Rachel's perspective. He is the be all and end all of the male species for her and has been for 8 years. She's gonna come crashing to earth soon enough I feel, and there will be less Pierce to irritate us all :)

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

I was meaning from Rachel's perspective.

Yeah, I know. He's Rachel-candy. *sigh* I just hate the guy. The way he speaks bothers me so much. Also, it made me want to bang my head against a blunt object the way Rachel was all "I have loved him since I was 18, he is perfect, no man can be as great as Pierce" like ten pages after her epic freakout upon finding Art's body. Like, she was just going on about Kisten and amazingness of their love, but he didn't touch her the way Pierce managed to in the whole 24 hours Rachel knew him at 18. Come on! The woman is 26 years old. Any growing up I actually believed Rachel had done in the last part of this book (which admittedly wasn't a lot of growing up) was totally shot to hell with that piece of fuckery. Thank goodness for Ivy showing up at the end to make me giggle.

She's gonna come crashing to earth soon enough I feel, and there will be less Pierce to irritate us all :)

Yeah, but it just means more cock-blocking.

*sigh* Cock Block, she giveth (kinda) and then she taketh away.

[ex-stanleyt.livejournal.com]

Sounds like you finished the book so I just wanna say - the whole touchy-touchy aura-sharing thing in the tunnel was pretty awesome :)

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Yes, I have finally finished the book.

the whole touchy-touchy aura-sharing thing in the tunnel was pretty awesome

Yeah, that was pretty good. I'm in a relatively content state right now. I still wish Cock Block would just get on with it, instead of dragging everything out, but my rage has definitely cooled, and I'm able to think in Ravy terms again without being all, "RACHEL IS AN ASS WHO DOESN'T DESERVE IVY!" Rachel redeemed herself quite a bit with me (until the very end there ... that whole giveth and taketh away thing Cock Block's got down to an art).

I hope that the increased casual touching (and emotionally charged touching) between Ivy and Rachel continues and grows in the next book. The ease in the last part of this book probably came from Ivy drinking herself to sleep on Rynn's men, but I'm gonna pretend it's canon now that they can casual touch, cause it's a great opportunity fic wise.

[lostingeekdom.livejournal.com]

The whole Ivy's touch being the only thing holding up Rachel and her aura was what made this book better. See what I mean about letting this be your Buffy S5? Aside from the cock block douchery, the whole book seemed to be paean to Ravy, and the maturing of their relationship. Remember the post where I had talked about my comment on CBMcG's drama box? http://lostingeekdom.livejournal.com/247249.html
I was making a similar point to her, and she agreed. Though still with the caveat that they might not end up together. Grrrr. At this point though, I will be relieved if Ivy gets some peace of mind, whatever form it may come.