Legend of the Seeker - 2x22 - Tears

[fembuck]

Well, I probably would have really liked that episode if it wasn't possibly the last one of the series.   There was a lot of cool, amazing, awesome badassery in it, but there was also some serious "What is this?  I don't even".

Let's start with ...

THE BAD

1.  Zedd doing the 'unbreaking spell' on Dahlia didn't enrage me as much as it has enraged others, but I certainly didn't like it.  It seemed like a really lazy and insulting way to wrap up a storyline from a useless episode that shouldn't even have been made in the first place. 

Sacrificing Cara's development and an insight into Cara's past and what/who helped make Cara who she was to wrap up a storyline from a fucking AU episode that added nothing to anything, is just UGH! 

Mostly, it just left me feeling like I was wrong to give the writers any credit whatsoever for "Eternity" and the Cara/Dahlia relationship.  It has become clear to me now that like 90% of the awesome of "Eternity" was due to Tab and Laura Brent bringing their "A" games and adding a ton of emotion between Cara/Dahlia that the writers probably didn't intend, but were perfectly happy to let stand once they saw it onscreen.

2.  Kahlan's tears save the world?  Um, I love me some Kahlan Amnell, in fact I love me a lot of Kahlan Amnell, but ... UGH!  Seriously.  I know it plays into that whole "As long as the Mother Confessor's pure heart beats the Keeper cannot win" prophecy, but still.  It seemed like a really cheap way to wrap up a season long arc in like 4 minutes.

THE GOOD

1.  CARA!  I loved so much about Cara in this episode.  Her suspicious looks at Zedd when he was so happy to see her amused the hell out of me. 

HER EPIC GIRL!LOVE FOR KAHLAN WAS GREAT!  Cara was reluctant to fight!  CARA.  WAS RELUCTANT TO FIGHT because she didn't want to hurt Kahlan!  The way she looked to Zedd for help because she really didn't want to have to genuinely fight Kahlan made me swoon a little.  And then of course, Cara's inability to shoot Kahlan because she was afraid that she wouldn't be able to bring her back with the breath of life.  D'awwwwwww x infinity plus one.

Cara:  Who's in charge here?
Garren:  I am.
*Cara's bitch slaps her*
Cara:  Who's in charge here?
Garren:  You are.

SWOON x forever plus a day!  OMG CARA YOU FABULOUS BITCH!  This scene made me tear up because after I was done clapping and celebrating Cara's awesomeness, I realized that I would never again get to witness new acts of badassery from Cara fucking Mason the Queen of everything.  *sob*

Also, for some reason Zedd and Cara ducking down behind the roof when Con Dar!Kahlan looked over at them really cracked me up.

2.  KAHLAN!  I honestly found sub!Kahlan to be ridiculously amazingly panty dampeningly hot.  I feel kind of bad about how much Kahlan differing to Nicci turned me on.  Bridget Regan, my god you are amazing.  *bows down*  We are not worthy.  The things that woman can convey with her eyes are just *swoons*  I can't even really type about this more because every time I think about sub!Kahlan my mind wanders to very very pleasing places.

And Con Dar!Kahlan is fucking scary and awesome.  I loved seeing Kahlan go all Con Dar and VENGEFUL again.  I should probably be worried about how attractive I find Kahlan when she is stabbing the shit out of people, but I'm not because it's Kahlan/Bridget and she's amazing.

3.  I did like that Kahlan and Richard realized that he can't be confessed because of his epic love for her.  But it honestly didn't have the impact that it should have because they shoved it into the last 10 seconds of the show and it had to be narrated by Zedd (like far too many things in the episode.  The episode should have been called, "Zedd explains things because we tried to cram too much into 44 minutes".) 

Also, it was really bittersweet for me, seeing Cara standing off to the side on her own (and not because I'm C/K shipper, but because her love, her chance for happiness had just been wiped out of existence 40 minutes before).  It's nice that at least its canon now that K/R can like legit get it on, and K/R shippers have probs been waiting for this for a while, but it was really rushed, and I felt badly for Cara.

4.  Nicci was amazing.  I love the costuming department and their appreciation for showing off long, lean, fabulous legs.  Even though Nicci was all evil and shit she was fun to watch, and she werked that glam!rock outfit.  I have to say I felt really fucking bad for Nicci at the end of the episode.  I don't even want to imagine what EVIL shit Darken Rahl is going to do to her.  Like think about what he did to Cara and he LIKED Cara.  *shudder*

Now, I'm probably missing out a bunch of things, but I probably need to rewatch before I can think about things clearly.  Again, as a season finale this would have made me really happy (except for point #1 under "The Bad" behind the cut), but as a series finale it's just left me feeling really sad and unfulfilled because there is so much more story to tell.

I DON'T WANT THIS SHOW TO END!  *bawls like a baby*

Comments

[fanaticreader.livejournal.com]

Cara is awesome. I would have her Mord Sith babies.

I agree with you on the Dahlia mutilation lol For me it wasnt so much offensive because they basically wiped out Dahlia and implied that this woman (whom we know little about - hell all of Cara's sultry looks might've had less to do with epic love and more to do with her "A" game to get laid.... I assume Mord Sith are not accustomed to going without sex for long periods of time. Cara must be suffering muchly lol)... what was really offensive was the shoddy writing.

I mean for an unpredictable spell, we now have one predicating factor: if you are Mord Sith and this spell is used on you, you will cease to be Mord Sith. I have no idea WHY it singles out the Mord Sith aspect of their lives but its just so damn efficient about it lol

This season... way too many filler episodes. They rushed that ending so badly. Magic became the cure for everything. Or rather: Magical Love of Epic Win lol

I hope one day a lovely woman will fall in love with Cara. And then she too can grow a Stone of Tears on Cara's boobs sometime. Then she too will have Magical Love of Epic Win.

lmao

Also, I totally loved all the parts you loved :D

I demand a Cara Mason spin off!!!

[halfabubble.livejournal.com]

For me it wasnt so much offensive because they basically wiped out Dahlia ... what was really offensive was the shoddy writing.

Agreed.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Cara is awesome. I would have her Mord Sith babies.

This. Cara is a dreamy mofo and there is pretty much nothing I wouldn't let her do to me. *unf*

.. what was really offensive was the shoddy writing.

I agree so much. I honestly never expected Cara/Dahlia to have a happy ending, and I'm sure the writing staff never imagined that a certain segment of the audience would epicize (made up word, but you know what I mean) Cara/Dahlia to levels that we did. She was a sexy plot point, but I just wish she was a plot point that could have been cleaned up well when she was no longer useful. It's like, "Writers, but your toys away safely after you're finished playing with them, m'kay?"

if you are Mord Sith and this spell is used on you, you will cease to be Mord Sith. I have no idea WHY it singles out the Mord Sith aspect of their lives but its just so damn efficient about it lol

Well, I guess it makes sense it that it undoes whatever 'broke' them the most in their lives, which had to have been their Mord'Sith training. For people other than Mord'Sith it probably be different, like the death of a loved one gets unerased or something.

I honestly just hated the whole concept of the spell, thought the AU episode was a waste of time, and didn't like the idea that the AUisode could have been about the gang (read: Kahlan) healing Cara with love. Or at the very least, the episode would have been better if Zedd could have just removed the super-agiels effects and we could have had some hurt/comfort moments while they started towards the pillars of creation, so that the finale didn't have to be so crammed. *sigh*

Magic became the cure for everything. Or rather: Magical Love of Epic Win lol

LOL! Ugh. The Magical Love of Epic Win was so lame, so incredible lame. I nearly rolled by eyes out of head when I realized what was happening.

I demand a Cara Mason spin off!!!

I would watch religiously.

[karatam.livejournal.com]

I'm not even going to go into the whole AU thing with Cara because I already did in a post, but I really enjoyed the combined badassery of Kahlan, Cara and Nicci. Those ladies were awesome!

(And really, Kahlan in ConDar has absolutely no right to be as hot/awesome as it is ;)

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

but I really enjoyed the combined badassery of Kahlan, Cara and Nicci. Those ladies were awesome!

This. I was honestly squeeing, and 'awwwww shit'ing throughout the whole episode. There was a lot of badass and awesome floating around that episode. I think mostly, what people are really disappointed about is that the show is now over. I don't think that it was possible for this episode to leave people with a completely good/happy feeling, simply because it's the end (way before it's time). But it was a pretty kickass episode.

And really, Kahlan in ConDar has absolutely no right to be as hot/awesome as it is ;),/i>

I know! She's terrifying but it is some incredible arousing that I don't even. RAWR.

[arabrab47.livejournal.com]

I'm with you on ALL of these points.

oy. there were so many better ways they could have dealt with Dahlia and Cara in the last two episodes, and so many better ways to really give this one an emotional payoff that didn't need to be narrated. But as long as I remind myself that I watch this show for the crack and the asskicking women, I'm pretty happy with it. And to (possibly) give some of the writers their due, maybe the last two episodes were written by different writers than Eternity was? I haven't checked, but I've noticed that some writers have much more affinity for femslash and subtext than others. So maybe it wasn't ALL unintentional?

but ultimately what matters to me right now is that I LOVE CARA AND KAHLAN AND I DON"T CARE WHO FRAKKING KNOWS! I will be forever happy that this show introduced me to Tabrett Bethell and Bridget Regan and allowed me to watch them be such awesome characters every week.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

But as long as I remind myself that I watch this show for the crack and the asskicking women, I'm pretty happy with it.

This, which is why I think I completely enjoyed the episode while watching it, because it was really all about Kahlan, Cara and Nicci being completely badass.

It was only at the end when I saw Cara all on her own, that I started thinking about the shitty resolution to the Dahlia storyline.

Mostly it's not the ep. I had a problem with, I'm just really depressed that the show is over.

And to (possibly) give some of the writers their due, maybe the last two episodes were written by different writers than Eternity was?

TBH I'm probably being too hard on the writing staff. Dahlia was a plot point. Really she was, she was created to get Cara into Darken Rahl's hands in a believable way. I'm sure the writing staff never imagined that a certain segment of the audience would epicize (made up word, but you know what I mean) Cara/Dahlia to levels that we did. The last episodes were written and filmed a long time ago so there was no way they could have known how much people loved Cara/Dahlia together, and if there'd been a third season we probably would have seen Dahlia pop up again, but I doubt that the writers actually had any plans to make Cara/Dahlia an epic romance.

Because honestly, this last episode was actually full of f/f subtext, it just wasn't C/D. Kahlan/Nicci was incredibly gay, and Cara's everything when it came to Kahlan was incredibly gay as well.

The writers didn't forget about f/f subtext, Dahlia was just no longer useful to them.

what matters to me right now is that I LOVE CARA AND KAHLAN AND I DON"T CARE WHO FRAKKING KNOWS! I will be forever happy that this show introduced me to Tabrett Bethell and Bridget Regan and allowed me to watch them be such awesome characters every week.

Word to everything in this paragraph. In the end, I wanted the Cara/Kahlan bond to be solid and moving, and it was. And this show has brought me so much joy and introduced me to two amazing new actresses that I hope to see a lot from. It was an extremely enjoyable ride.

[vvannoi.livejournal.com]

90% of the awesome of "Eternity" was due to Tab and Laura Brent bringing their "A" games and adding a ton of emotion between Cara/Dahlia

So true! That what made me so interested in the pairing. It was a bit disappointing to see their relationship wiped out.

About writing: I am definitely not watching this show for the plot, and doubt that anybody does,throughout the series at some points I was laughing out loud at ridiculousness of the plot, so it is not surprising how they wrapped the season.

But I am going to miss all the good about his show: actors, fights, hair!fights and cleavage shots, ridiculous slow motion, badass characters of both genders
And Cara, I am really going to miss her *tears*

Please write something with happy!Cara

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

So true! That what made me so interested in the pairing. It was a bit disappointing to see their relationship wiped out.

I wish the C/D thing had been handled differently, but I think we should have seen it coming. We just wanted it to be this amazing romance so badly. Really Dahlia was a plot point created to get Cara into Darken Rahl's hands in a believable way. I'm sure the writing staff never imagined that a certain segment of the audience would epicize (made up word, but you know what I mean) Cara/Dahlia to levels that we did. The last episodes were written and filmed a long time ago so there was no way they could have known how much people loved Cara/Dahlia together, and if there'd been a third season we probably would have seen Dahlia pop up again, but I doubt that the writers actually had any plans to make Cara/Dahlia an epic romance.

About writing: I am definitely not watching this show for the plot, and doubt that anybody does,throughout the series at some points I was laughing out loud at ridiculousness of the plot, so it is not surprising how they wrapped the season.

This is so true. I LOVE this show, but the writing has often been very cracky and WTF. They did a lot of things right with this show, but tight, coherent plots were often not two of those things, lol.

But I am going to miss all the good about his show: actors, fights, hair!fights and cleavage shots, ridiculous slow motion, badass characters of both genders. And Cara, I am really going to miss her *tears*

This was the stuff they did really well, and I'm going to miss it so much. And yes, Cara. I think more than anything else I'm going to miss Cara. God, she was an amazing character and just brilliantly acted.

Please write something with happy!Cara

Do you mean Cara as she was at the end of this episode, having feelings and being kind of okay with it. Or happyverse!Cara, because the happy!verse is pretty much dead to me now, which sucks because I had been planning on ficcing it more *sigh*

[lostingeekdom.livejournal.com]

"Cara:  Who's in charge here?
Garren:  I am.
*Cara's bitch slaps her*
Cara:  Who's in charge here?
Garren:  You are."

Pretty much sums up the whole season for me, and as I haven't warted season 1 yet, applies to the whole show as well. I was cracking up, thinking of your reaction at that scene.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Pretty much sums up the whole season for me, and as I haven't warted season 1 yet

season 2 honestly DOES pwn season 2 like Cara pwned Garren. I liked season 1, but I wasn't fanatic about it like I've been about season 2. Cara shot the show to a new level of awesome.

I was cracking up, thinking of your reaction at that scene.

That scene was beautiful. I got a little teary eyed. I love the writers for putting that in there. I felt like pulling a Zedd and saying, "That's the Cara I know!" HBIC!

[trancer21.livejournal.com]

I'm honestly beginning to think episodes 2x21 and 22 were written *without* anyone actually having READ 'Eternity'. It's like they got the Cliff Notes version but not the in depth stuff, ya know. And 21 comes across as even a BIGGER waste of time considering everything that was crammed into the last ep.

Zedd doing the 'unbreaking spell' on Dahlia didn't enrage me as much as it has enraged others, but I certainly didn't like it.

I feel like a bad fan because I didn't notice this plot point AT ALL until I came online. I guess I was too busy giggling over the idea of Dahlia in some forest somewhere all 'would somebody untie me from this FUCKING TREE!'. That and I was too busy wondering why Zedd would do the spell on Dahlia rather than, you know, letting Kahlan confess Dahlia and have Dahlia PERFORM THE BREATH OF LIFE ON CARA.

Kahlan's tears save the world?

Yeah, that was very.. um, twee? Plus, we got jipped on seeing Cara give KAHLAN the breath of life.

I honestly found sub!Kahlan to be ridiculously amazingly panty dampeningly hot.

Dude, remember when Kahlan was all subby and demure in Torn? It was like that but a gagillion times hotter! It's so sad we'll never get the ep with dom!Cara and sub!Kahlan. Also, if I were the type of person who shipped Cara/Kahlan/Richard I would question whether it was *just* Kahlan's tears that revived Richard but the combination of Cara *and* Kahlan.

I really have nothing to add to what you've said about Cara. 'Cuz, like, if Kahlan doesn't want to have a million of Cara's babies, I'm totally up for the job!

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

I'm honestly beginning to think episodes 2x21 and 22 were written *without* anyone actually having READ 'Eternity'. It's like they got the Cliff Notes version

Cynicism: I wish the C/D thing had been handled differently, but I think we should have seen it coming. We just wanted it to be this amazing romance so badly.

Really Dahlia was a plot point created to get Cara into Darken Rahl's hands in a believable way. I'm sure the writing staff never imagined that a certain segment of the audience would epicize (made up word, but you know what I mean) Cara/Dahlia to levels that we did.

The last episodes were written and filmed a long time ago so there was no way they could have known how much people loved Cara/Dahlia together, and if there'd been a third season I think we probably would have seen Dahlia pop up again, but I doubt that the writers actually had any plans to make Cara/Dahlia an epic romance like we hoped.

And 21 comes across as even a BIGGER waste of time considering everything that was crammed into the last ep.

THIS enrages me. 21 was useless pile of steaming crap that added nothing to anything, and I am livid that the second last episode EVER of Legend of the Seeker was wasted on it. 22 should have been spread out into two episodes and really let the show go out with a bang. Even not knowing that the show was going to be canceled, 21 just never needed to exist.

I was too busy wondering why Zedd would do the spell on Dahlia rather than, you know, letting Kahlan confess Dahlia and have Dahlia PERFORM THE BREATH OF LIFE ON CARA.

because Zedd is the biggest Cock-Blocker in history next to Kim Harrison.

Actually, if there was going to be a third season I think we all would have been happy that the spell was performed on Dahlia because it means she's alive in the real!verse and that it could have been conceivable for there to be a C/D plot line in the third season.

As we know the show is over, now we just wanted one last sweetass visual of C/D, but it was probably the writers actually throwing a bone and saying, "There could be more C/D so don't get your panties in a bunch."

Plus, we got jipped on seeing Cara give KAHLAN the breath of life.

This pisses me off, because imagine what the .gifers and photoshoppers like you could have done with a shot like that!!!!! After kahlan suggesting it SO MANY times, for the show to end without it happening is just a slap to the face. Richard hogs the breath of life SO MUCH. Let Kahlan have a turn! Stop bogarting the breath of life Richard!

It was like that but a gagillion times hotter!

seriously! The way Bridget's eyes followed her so adoringly. UNF UNF UNF!

It's so sad we'll never get the ep with dom!Cara and sub!Kahlan.

*SOBS* I know. Like, I don't think that I would have really liked an ep where Kahlan was forced to sub to Cara. But an ep where Kahlan was pretending to for some undercover shit, would have been epic, epic. Because of the visual of Kahlan like on the floor while Cara pets her hair, and then like where they're behind closed doors we would have seen epic friendship moments of Kahlan teasing Cara about enjoying topping her just a little to much and Cara smirking sexily. *SOBS HARDER*

'Cuz, like, if Kahlan doesn't want to have a million of Cara's babies, I'm totally up for the job!

I know! Cara would get so much ass thrown at her in the real world. she and Ivy Tamwood could have a P.I.M.P contest (but I think Cara would win because she's less angsty, and honestly what the hell has Kim Harrison done that a MORD'SITH is LESS ANGSTY than her creation?!?!?!?!)

[ic1pher.livejournal.com]

Cara: Who's in charge here?
Garren: I am.
*Cara's bitch slaps her*
Cara: Who's in charge here?
Garren: You are.

I just want to quote this because it was just that awesome. Best part of the episode, hands down.

I really liked this episode and thought it had no weak moments. Zedd saying just about anything made me cringe but then again I have a very high tolerance for cheese. It's just how his character is written and I'm not a hater. He's the exposition machine.

Yep, talking about cheese. How the whole thing ended... tolerance: I have it. Although I too have limits and the whole thing went really close to them.

I agree they totally wasted the previous episode and Dahlia/Cara storyline but I can even ignore that and be oblivious.

What I can't ignore is if this show really ends. :(

btw Bridget told she's read some of the Cara/Kahlan femslash. But which ones?

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Best part of the episode, hands down.

Hands down. It really was. I LOVED that moment. Cara is HBIC and I liked that they showcased that so amazingly in the last ep.

tolerance: I have it. Although I too have limits and the whole thing went really close to them.

Heh! So true. It's like, "show, I'll give you a lot of leeway, but that was almost too much."

I agree they totally wasted the previous episode and Dahlia/Cara storyline but I can even ignore that and be oblivious.

TBH I'm not going to dwell on that too much anymore, because now that I've calmed down and am thinking more rationally I realize that Dahlia was a plot point. She was created to get Cara into Darken Rahl's hands in a believable way and the writing staff never would have imagined that a certain segment of the audience would turn C/D into this epic romance. We femslashers are just so starved for well-written F/F relationships, that we just invested too much into C/D after one episode.

What I can't ignore is if this show really ends. :(

I know! The thought is making me so sad. I'm still in many ways operating in a state of denial. I don't want to believe it's over.

btw Bridget told she's read some of the Cara/Kahlan femslash. But which ones?

Heh. I wonder ... Hopefully none with really inappropriate uses of Cara's agiels!

[xavacid.livejournal.com]

OMG, I wanna smack somebody for the whole let's do the spell on Dahlia... but from here someone could always ship Cara/auDahlia, you know since Dahlia would've been like auCara. But that's me, trying to look for a good thing.

OMG, the look on Cara's face when Zedd was all happy to see her. Again Tab is a Goddess!

Kahlan is so hot!! on yeah and Con Kahlan, hot hot hot!!

Bridget is amazing, between her and Tab, we need no one else.

Love Cara's hesitation (yeah, it's sweet how much she care for Kahlan)

I felt that *thump* for Cara when she stood on the side and watch Kahlan with Richard. And now I'm gonna go curl up and die.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

but from here someone could always ship Cara/auDahlia, you know since Dahlia would've been like auCara. But that's me, trying to look for a good thing.

the only good thing about spelling Dahlia is that it means she's still alive in the verse the show ended in, which means in my mind Cara can meet up with her again and fall in love with her and they could conceivably have a happy ending together.

I'd like to think that having Dahlia alive in the verse they ended in was the writers setting up a C/D storyline for season 3.

OMG, the look on Cara's face when Zedd was all happy to see her. Again Tab is a Goddess!

So true. She can convey so much with her expressions. I LOVE IT.

Bridget is amazing, between her and Tab, we need no one else.

the two of them are powerhouses! It's so true. the show really could have been all about Cara and Kahlan all the time and I would have been just fine with that.

Love Cara's hesitation (yeah, it's sweet how much she care for Kahlan)


It was a beautiful moment, as was her admission of why she hesitated later.

I felt that *thump* for Cara when she stood on the side and watch Kahlan with Richard.

Me too. She looked so sad. She wanted a hug from her girlfriend too!

[ntlknythrgrl.livejournal.com]

I'm just wondering....would the pre-undoing spells Cara have hesitated to shoot Kahlan and doubted that she could revive her with the Breath of Life? Apparently, not only is Cara unchanged by non-Mord'Sith Dahlia...she is also woobier. --- This, of course, is debatable. I know a lot of shippers will think that regardless of any spells, Cara would've reacted the same way. It just made me wonder.

And seriously, Zedd....arrogant much? I know he meant well but geezus, he sure had a one track mind on getting back the Cara that *he* wanted, he didn't care whose lives he potentially messed with. And how convenient is it that he got exactly what he wanted, with all of them unchanged? Zedd, how about undoing the part where you, Kahlan, and Richard bullied Cara into going with Dahlia which started all this mess in the first place, asshole.

Ahem sorry, got carried away. :D

Ok, C/D murder aside, I did like the episode. For one, and I'm just being objective here, doing the spell on Dahlia instead of confessing her made sense, and at least it meant darling Dahlia is still alive somewhere although I won't be surprised if she ends up already dead in the new AU world, what with Zedd's legendary cockblocking skills. Two, confessed Kahlan was precious, I just wanted to pinch her cheeks. Three, Nicci was scorchin' hot. Four, Con Dar Kahlan was magnificent. Five, CARA (you've mentioned all of them!). Six, Richard was stabbed through the heart.

The episode ended right there for me. Lolz.

[ntlknythrgrl.livejournal.com]

and also, how come when those Mord-Sith were confessed, they did not die in agony immediately? did i miss something?

[mondoshawan555.livejournal.com]

The biggest injustice of all? Why the fuck didn't Cara get to give Kahlan the breath of life?!?!?!?! Boo!!!

It seemed like a really lazy and insulting way to wrap up a storyline from a useless episode that shouldn't even have been made in the first place.

Couldn't agree more. I don't understand at all the point of the previous apisode. They could've used that time to make the finale less rushed and even more amazing. What the hell was wrong with the idea of them just unbreaking Cara with looooove? I would like to introduce the person who came up with the idea for 'Unbroken' to ConDar!Kahlan, who's been confessed by Cara... Oh my...

Cara and Kahlan made this episode. Richard was once again being the douche he tends to be and the ladies had to save the world with their awesome. I am so watching Cara's bitch slap on repeat. And Kahlan, and Cara's girl!love... These two just simply rule the universe. At least I think they should.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Why the fuck didn't Cara get to give Kahlan the breath of life?!?!?!?! Boo!!!

I don't think that I'll ever completely forgive the writers for not allowing this to happen. I mean FUUUUUUU, Kahlan brought it up so much that I thought for sure it would happen before the season was out.

They could've used that time to make the finale less rushed and even more amazing. What the hell was wrong with the idea of them just unbreaking Cara with looooove?

I know. The finale was so rushed. The AU episode had no reason for existing. No reason at all. It was a colossal waste of time.

And I too don't see what was so wrong with Cara being saved by love. It would have tied in wonderfully to The Keeper being defeated by the love in the next episode.

Richard was once again being the douche he tends to be and the ladies had to save the world with their awesome.

Aw, I didn't think Richard was a douche. He was just incredibly trusting and naive as he always is, and it got him in trouble as it always does. Kindness really is that boys tragic flaw. He and the world are lucky that he was Kahlan and Cara to be all pragmatic and effective for him.

Cara and Kahlan made this episode.

This is very true. They make every episode though. I watch for C and K. If the show was just about Richard and Zedd I never would have watched it, lol.

And Kahlan, and Cara's girl!love... These two just simply rule the universe.

Cara's hesitation and admission of why she hesitated moved me more than the R/K moment at the end. They really are the best together.

[murasaki1200.livejournal.com]

Like most peeps, I was very disappointed the writers didn't find a way to keep Dahlia on the show, but as you said, she was just meant to be a plot point. I'm thankful that as plot points go, the writers made her a really hot and gay one, and that the actresses did so much with what they had to work with.

It's interesting to me that some folks got all bent out of shape. To me, the fate of Dahlia just shows how far even folks who are very open minded about f/f like the LOTS peeps, have to go. It just makes me appreciate what the writers have given us on the show even more, to get a glimpse of how little they do get it.

I liked the episode. The writers tried to throw in all the eye candy they could think of to please the fans: Con Dar, very Kahlan and Cara centric ep, and even a happy resolution for the Kahlan/Richard fans (clearly not as important as the Kahlan/Cara/Nicci screen time, which is why they only got 10 secs at the end). Yes, the plot wasn't as tight as it could have been but I watch this show for the eye candy and the kick-ass girls, so I was happy.

I'm sure, given the fan reaction, Dahlia would totes have been back if there had been a season 3. Oh well.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

'm thankful that as plot points go, the writers made her a really hot and gay one, and that the actresses did so much with what they had to work with.

Word. I'm just going to remember "Eternity" and C/D fondly for what it was.

The writers tried to throw in all the eye candy they could think of to please the fans: Con Dar, very Kahlan and Cara centric ep, and even a happy resolution for the Kahlan/Richard fans

They really did do a great job of making sure there was something in there for everyone, and giving us a ton of cool shit to look at for 44 minutes.

but I watch this show for the eye candy and the kick-ass girls, so I was happy.

This, I was honestly squeeing throughout the whole episode. It had a whole lotta things in it that I loved. I'm just bummed that it's the last time I'm going to be able to have new Kahlan and Cara to squee over.

I'm sure, given the fan reaction, Dahlia would totes have been back if there had been a season 3. Oh well.

Yeah, I think we definitely would have seen her again for an episode or two if the show had been renewed.

[rhyfeddu.livejournal.com]

May I co-sign this? :)

Well, maybe with a caveat on Like #3, cause try as I might I just can't get excited about R/K's epic world savin' love mojo. I'm just too gay, and feel a little like Cara looked, kicking dirt in the corner and averting my eyes. ;) But otherwise... lol

Also, for some reason Zedd and Cara ducking down behind the roof when Con Dar!Kahlan looked over at them really cracked me up. You're the first person I've seen mention this! I LoL'd and startled the dog! It looked so cartoonish in the midst of all that glorious angst.

Everything about (questionably restored, agreed) Cara in this epi was a rockin relief. From the moment she started chasing after her gf ("Kahlan's right"), she made the epi for me.

I hate that it got tainted with all the baggage the show inadvertantly caused some of the LGBT audience along the way (including me last week). I'd like to think those things would be "fixed" with fan feedback if we were to get a S3, but...*sigh* I also agree with whoever said above that I wish I had a thicker skin about these things, too..

Thanks for your take on it. :)

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

'm just too gay, and feel a little like Cara looked, kicking dirt in the corner and averting my eyes. ;)

Honestly R/K only got like polite applause from me. I was far more moved by Cara's hesitation than any R/K scene. I don't hate on R/K, but I'm always like "Can be please get back to C/K being awesome, kickass and gay for each other, plz?"

It looked so cartoonish in the midst of all that glorious angst.

That's what I loved about it! I could practically hear the sound effects, lol. That was a great moment, I just loved it.

From the moment she started chasing after her gf ("Kahlan's right"), she made the epi for me.

Cara always makes the ep. I just watched it again with my mom, and I was cracking up over the fact that she loves Cara so much and like unconsciously ships C/K. She was like patting her heart when Cara couldn't shoot Kahlan, and I was like "Mom, I love you!"

I hate that it got tainted with all the baggage the show inadvertantly caused some of the LGBT audience along the way (including me last week).

This. Honestly, if the show had to go, this was a pretty good send off. It just sucks that all us lezzas were so invested in C/D that the shoddy resolution of the storyline tainted the end of the show a bit.

I'd like to think those things would be "fixed" with fan feedback if we were to get a S3

I'm just going to believe that having Dahlia alive in the current!verse was the writers setting up a two-parter for Cara in the third season. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. It makes me much happier.

[crys-22.livejournal.com]

It has become clear to me now that like 90% of the awesome of "Eternity" was due to Tab and Laura Brent bringing their "A" games and adding a ton of emotion between Cara/Dahlia that the writers probably didn't intend, but were perfectly happy to let stand once they saw it onscreen.

Yup, this is what I suspected myself. Thank the Creator for Tab and Laura. I doubt their scenes would have affected us nearly as much if it hadn't been those two playing the parts.

I DON'T WANT THIS SHOW TO END! *bawls like a baby*

There is too much about this show that I love, that it can't end. I want to see more of the gang. I want them to run into Denna again and give her the redemption she deserves. I want to see fierce ass Nicci get out of her current predicament and I really hope Darken hasn't destroyed that awesome outfit of her's. And most importantly I want to see the gang to have a reason to return to Stocraft, so that Cara can see Dahlia.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Thank the Creator for Tab and Laura. I doubt their scenes would have affected us nearly as much if it hadn't been those two playing the parts.

Word. Those two really nailed all of their scenes together. Tab I always expect to be awesome, but it was nice that she was opposite someone that was able to match her greatness.

C/D will live on in our hearts, and that's something at least. Tab and Laura created something really special and I'm going to remember C/D for what they were and what they could've been.

I want to see more of the gang. I want them to run into Denna again and give her the redemption she deserves.

YES YES YES! I really wanted to see that Denna redemption arc that was hinted at right before she took the plunge. And a Denna/Cara tag team being awesome Mord'Sith and kicking ass together. Them working on the same side for an episode or two would have been epic and sexy as hell!

I want to see fierce ass Nicci get out of her current predicament and I really hope Darken hasn't destroyed that awesome outfit of her's.

Yes, yes, yes! I felt so scared for Nicci at the end of the episode. I want to know that she got hers. Honestly Darken Rahl had that bath coming. I want that bastard to pay!

And most importantly I want to see the gang to have a reason to return to Stocraft, so that Cara can see Dahlia.

This. So much. So very much. Even though Dahlia likely wouldn't have ended up traveling with them, I wanted to see Cara have a romance with Dahlia and have it end on a positive note that like moves Cara into a more mature and content place.

*sigh*

I DO NOT WANT THIS SHOW TO END! I AM NEAR TEARS JUST THINKING ABOUT IT! MY DENIAL IS SO MIGHTY RIGHT NOW!

[dreamadour.livejournal.com]

Hi! I feel a little stalkery posting for the first time on your LotS reviews, but I wanted to share my point of view as someone who just watched the last 3 episodes one after another.

I actually liked that Dahlia was erased as a Mord sith. And even more that Cara does not remember her, because IMO she does not deserve it.

As you pointed to other posters, watching all this episodes together is easier to realize that she was just a plot device. And without the benefit of days idealizing her relationship with Cara I actually see her as someone selfish that did not care about what her friend/lover really wanted and just did everything to keep her at her side. I waited for Dahlia to do something, anything to help her but nop, nothing.

I know someone could argue that she was a Mord sith, and that was the only way she knew how to be. But that's not love. And exactly why Cara is above all that now (thanks to her new family) and does not need to get dragged to that live.

In fact Cara actually rejected her. The one Dahlia finally got was definitely not even herCara, but one with a darkspell casted upon her.

So, its a little weird for me to read so many posts mourning for Dahlia and her relationship with Cara.
And even if you still would have wanted to ship them for their past, the show did a great job creating a newDahlia. One whom if Cara were to encounter, could be so much better for her than the selfish one that lied, beat and betrayed her.

But I totally agree that the resolution was lazy writing - Zedd ex machina - and a wasted opportunity to reclaim Cara in another more meaningful way. And althoug I did like episode 21, a expanded final covering both 21 and 22 would have been awesome.

Anyway, I just wanted to share another point of view.

And I really love your recaps. Thanks to them i decided to watch LotS and found a really wonderful show with great female characters. So THANK YOU!

Vala.

[(Anonymous)]

Aye dreamadour! I just escaped a lynching after expressing similar sentiments re Dahlia after the group of us finished a season 2 marathon. I'll admit to being a bit of a one eyed K/C shipper (which fits oddly into my Janeway/7 world but that's another tragedy...), but honestly, Dahlia isn't worthy of Cara!

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[(Anonymous)]

I am a lurker who accidentally started to watch LotS and suddenly became an OBSESSIVE CARA’S FAN (it was insane marathon after that-1st season, etc.). She is such a delight to watch! Snark, grumpy, hilarious, honest, sullen, all emotional, bitchy and bad-ass - I just love her being a HBIC woobie. I googled Cara and found your wonderful journal! Thank you for sharing your amazing writing talent and your delightful thoughts with the net! Now when I’ve became attached so much to the show I feel so sad at the cancellation news… It hurts.
May I try to sooth you’re THE BAD impressions from “Tears”? Zedd is absolute idiot and ass-hands down. But I was happy that he was so impressed by Cara’s impact to everything what could happen in the world and decided to go for Dahlia instead-was a smart move. I liked Dahlia but I am 100% Cara’s fan and I wouldn’t like him to continue his sloppy experiments on her. “Eternity” was one of the best episodes but just to think about what horror Cara went through I just want to scream “that’s enough pain for one person”- her son’s cruel death, her torture and then unimaginable horror of hundreds souls ripping her off. I don’t think it was even possible for Kahlan and Richard to summon her back with all love possible. Probably the writers had a variant where the merry gang goes after Rahl and destroys the Agiel and then they decided to go to AU story instead, at least they showed Cara’s importance to the world destiny, which I approve. She is a main hero character who deserves to be appreciated as one even she doesn’t believe in it. Agree with others who said if there is a destiny she will meet non-Mord’Sith Dahlia and they can have a better future and have some great chemistry for many episodes… dreaming… I don’t think that Cara’s character should have been changed in the second AU. She is who she is. She ALWAYS WAS that brave little girl who would hold the other girl’s hand, keeping her from crying - Dahlia or not. She had and has this ability in her – of compassion and love- she showed her compassionate nature in a season 1 finale. Dahlia’s impact on this particular chain of events is much less, she was just a weapon in Rahl’s hands to lure Cara and it’s good that he didn’t find somebody else to do it- Cara is such a pimp, she would definitely had different sweethearts in all temples ;) Who would resist her? Seriously, I was happy to see her all grumpy, after-battle-sweaty Cara without knowledge of her son’s death, not brutally tortured again, Cara who was happy to see snow and talking to a Night Wisp. She was being tortured for some 10-12 years and later was torturing others-call it a life!
Yeah, Kahlan’s tears save the world was a cheesy move! But it was a quick fix and she had same feelings as the Creator a long time ago- an overwhelming love and regret- I guess that how tears convert to a stone. And again, all happened just because Cara couldn’t kill her. And later it was Cara, of course, who revived them both: one from death and one from devastation with her breath of life. Ha-ha, poor Kahlan is kept deprived from Cara’s savory breath of life! She always is so eager to get it, but no, uh-uh, she can’t have it, no such luck J
100% agreed on THE GOOD. EPIC CARA, inability to shoot Kahlan, being so emotional and loooving. How she coolly she shot Nicci just with Kahlan between them!
Also, for some reason Zedd and Cara ducking down behind the roof when Con Dar!Kahlan looked over at them really cracked me up. That was hilarious!!!
And Cara was amusing hiding behind Zedd when Kahlan tried to confess them- WIN! Her being all HBIC with Garren. GUH, just GUH.
tbc

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KAHLAN! I honestly found sub!Kahlan to be ridiculously amazingly panty dampeningly hot. Oh-Yes, she was one hot sub! Lady, she was. I think that BR enjoys such non-dramatic, weird and funny moments to play; she has a wonderful comic talent that she couldn’t often demonstrate on LotS.
And Con Dar!Kahlan is fucking scary and awesome. I love when Kahlan is in Con Dar!
Also, it was really bittersweet for me, seeing Cara standing off to the side on her own. Yes, I badly wanted to step inside the screen and give her a hug. I know, they hugged each other just a few minutes later. Of course, they did, hugging her and Zedd and she was eyerolling and like, I hate when you do these impractical things!
Nicci was amazing. I love the costuming department and their appreciation for showing off long, lean, fabulous legs. Even though Nicci was all evil and shit she was fun to watch, and she werked that glam!rock outfit. I have to say I felt really fucking bad for Nicci at the end of the episode. I don't even want to imagine what EVIL shit Darken Rahl is going to do to her. Like think about what he did to Cara and he LIKED Cara. *shudder* AGREED, she is going to be miserable like book!Nicci being Jajang’s slave. But she is a tough girl, she’ll survive and avenge.
I DON'T WANT THIS SHOW TO END! *bawls like a baby*. Sits in a corner with teary eyes*. May be they will make a movie, like Serenity for Firefly? There-there…
P.S. Sorry for anonymous and chaotic intrusion into your journal and my poor English. Please keep writing your wonderful and hot LotS stories!
Tata

[orange-creative.livejournal.com]

I don't want the show to end because I don't like how this has ended. If it had been handled better instead of feeling so lost. Like you said, they shoved a lot into 44 minutes (nevermind that they had 21 previous episodes that did a lot of nothing that they could have used a little bit better).

Sidenote! When Nicci showed up in her black outfit I was ecstatic. :D I didn't like what they did with her character before, but she's wearing the awesome black that she did in the books. It'd be even better if she had managed to get her "Death's Mistress" nickname before the season was out. Or in Season 3. I totes shipped Nicci/Cara in the books before I ran across the series.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

If it had been handled better instead of feeling so lost. Like you said, they shoved a lot into 44 minutes (nevermind that they had 21 previous episodes that did a lot of nothing that they could have used a little bit better).


The thing that sucks is that as a season ender, this episode wasn't bad. And even the AU episode would have sat ... well, it wouldn't have sat fine but I would have been able to stand it if it had just been the second last episode of the season.

Really, the writers had no idea that this was going to be the end, and so while they delivered a really solid season ending it has left us all feeling shafted as a series ending.

And now I just want to scream and rant at Disney/ABC for not giving the show a chance to end properly.

t'd be even better if she had managed to get her "Death's Mistress" nickname before the season was out.

Death's Mistress. That's a pretty badass nickname!

I totes shipped Nicci/Cara in the books before I ran across the series.

Heh. They'd be a sexy couple. I'd fear for the midlands though, with their combined fight I don't know how they could fail at anything.

[tempest819.livejournal.com]

Well, I probably would have really liked that episode if it wasn't possibly the last one of the series.

Werd! That is exactly how I felt. Although it did feel like the episode should be called "Did anyone order a Deus Ex Machina?"

Mostly, it just left me feeling like I was wrong to give the writers any credit whatsoever for "Eternity" and the Cara/Dahlia relationship. It has become clear to me now that like 90% of the awesome of "Eternity" was due to Tab and Laura Brent bringing their "A" games and adding a ton of emotion between Cara/Dahlia that the writers probably didn't intend, but were perfectly happy to let stand once they saw it onscreen.

ITA. It's funny that you say this because when I saw the spoiler sides for Eternity I was actually less enthused to see the episode because when I read the script, I interpretted it as some SWF stalking shit. I never thought it would be played with such honest emotion, so when I saw it on screen I wrongfully assumed that the it meant more than it did. Just great acting on the part of the ladies. Perhaps, it was even the director who decided to make the story more schmoopy. In the end I am still glad they did because, on its one, that was a great episode. Still, it made the next two episodes a bit of a crash landing for me.

Zedd doing the 'unbreaking spell' on Dahlia didn't enrage me as much as it has enraged others, but I certainly didn't like it. It seemed like a really lazy and insulting way to wrap up a storyline from a useless episode that shouldn't even have been made in the first place.

I'm not gonna lie. It annoyed me a bit. Just because now, techinally the relationship isn't even cannon anymore. And yes to the 'lazy writing.' To me, the whole 'Unbroken' episode was a waste of time. 44 minutes to basically work some magic to get them to leapfrog to having the stone of tears.

As far as the 'good' goes, I'm with you all the way. Condar and Confessed Kahlan is wicked! Her and Nicci were creepy, but in a good way. The fights were epic and Cara going all Top Bitch on her former sisters was dreamy.

The Richard/Kahlan moment was very sweet, but her producing the stone of tears again....maybe it wouldn't of seemed silly to me if they didn't have so many other WTF moments.

All in all, I will miss LotS. Cara...I will miss you most of all.

[fembuck.livejournal.com]

Although it did feel like the episode should be called "Did anyone order a Deus Ex Machina?"

IKR! They just Deus Ex Machina'd all over our faces in this episode. *sigh* I really did enjoy the episode, but as a series ender it was just ... no. No. *curses Disney/ABC*

It's funny that you say this because when I saw the spoiler sides for Eternity I was actually less enthused to see the episode because when I read the script, I interpretted it as some SWF stalking shit.

That's actually what I thought at first too, and I wasn't that excited for the episode because I thought it was going to the same 'ol stalkery psycho bi-sexual experimental thing so many shows have done. And well, it kind was that, but the show did it in a much better way than I'd seen before. Or I should say, Tab and Laura lent it an emotional credibility that hasn't been there on other shows.

In the end I am still glad they did because, on its one, that was a great episode. Still, it made the next two episodes a bit of a crash landing for me.

Word. I was just on such a high after that episode that the next two really had no hope of living up to my expectations. 21 was pure shit, but 22 would have made me a lot happier if I wasn't carrying around some Dahlia angst.

It annoyed me a bit. Just because now, techinally the relationship isn't even cannon anymore. And yes to the 'lazy writing.'

That's true, but I mean Cara's still canon bi. It's not like they erased Cara's sexuality. And honestly, Cara would have been hella fucked up if she remembered any of the shit she went through after Dahlia showed up again. I was kind of happy to have my kick-ass, snarky, woobified Cara in the last episode who feelings had feelings. And, at least with the reboot there is a live Dahlia out there somewhere who Cara almost definitely would have encountered in season 3. If they'd just gone back to before Cara was kidnapped, Dahlia likely still would have ended up confessed and dead anyway.

er and Nicci were creepy, but in a good way.

This. I felt like I shouldn't have liked them together so much, but I did, I really did. Bridget just killed their scenes together. Mmm, sub!Kahlan.

Cara...I will miss you most of all.

Truth. I'll also miss Cara/Kahlan scenes greatly. The truth is I loved Kahlan so much more this season because Cara seemed to make her ten times more badass, plus her new outfit was hot.

[liberty-stewart.livejournal.com]

I know I'm very late, but it took me a while to finally get the DVDs from my library and finish the series. First of all season 2 is definitely better than season 1.

Of course I agree on the good things like Cara slapping that other mord sith. That was awesome.

This hasn't been mentioned yet, but I LOL at the scenes of the Keeper riding the Seeker. You can't even say that without laughing. As well as loved Nicci confessing the mother confessor. Those two duos were actually fun to watch. Good and evil can make an interesting pair.

I too am in the same boat that "Unbroken" felt like a waste of time. I could think of an alternate solution for undoing Cara. It seems like it wouldn't have been enough for the trio's love to undo Cara, so instead of killing Dahlia, they try to convince her to unbreak Cara since she's closest to her.

Eventually we get a possible future relationship for those two and a possibility Dahlia might help them in the future, like what Cara was suggesting in the previous episode.

Of course there's the argument all that torture and breaking in one lifetime would alter Cara's personality. So if the spell was necessary, they don't have to spend so much time with the AU. Just wrap it up about halfway so Cara gets reset and Dahlia is still alive.

Then use the second half to expand more aspects of the finale. Introduce Nicci halfway so we get more of her and the cliffhanger could be of her taking control of Kahlan.

That being said the trio of Cara, Kahlan and Nicci was what made this episode awesome. I think I might be one of the few femslashers who's not all that eager to see the Cara/Kahlan pairing mainly because not only do I like Cara better with Dahlia, but also because I think Nicci and Kahlan were awesome together. Kahlan was acting like her emotional side in "Torn". Only switch Nicci with Richard and Kahlan still keeps her confessor powers. Though I also got to admit that idea of Cara and Nicci teaming up together would be awesome. I easily could see those two plowing through everyone.

But as you said, the part that bums me out the most is that the show is over. I'm still optimistic about it since this was a syndicated series that came to an end because the company that was purchasing the series (Tribune) went bankrupt. I just hope the rumours that other companies are taking an interest in the series is true, but dammit don't wait it out guys. People are going to lose interest the longer time flies by.

[liberty-stewart.livejournal.com]

Also on a unrelated note, am I the only one who likes zed better as his younger self?