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This picture is almost enough to make me cry about the fact that the series will never be made into a movie and/or television show because I'll never get to see Maggie Q play Ivy (or as I like to think of this perfect blend of hotness ... Ivy Q).

Fucking Flawless.








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And now it's time for my obligatory ... WHY IS IT NOT APRIL 7th YET???  I NEED NIKITA BACK IN MY LIFE!!!! comment.

Date: 2011-03-31 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaina47.livejournal.com
As an incurable Hollows addict...have you heard the spoiler from the latest book?

Date: 2011-03-31 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Possibly. I've heard some things, but I don't know if I've heard what you're referring to.

Please, feel free to spoil me (which is Janine for 'please spoil me!) ;)

Date: 2011-03-31 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaina47.livejournal.com
Ivy kisses Rachel - vampire influence free - and Rachel doesn't freak. She might have cried (can't remember), but that was because it was a goodbye kiss and Ivy told her it was a goodbye kiss and Rachel was sad - very, very sad - about that. So yeah.

I mean, Ivy was saying goodbye, but by the end those circumstances had been pretty much undone, kind of reaffirming my conclusion that Harrison is just fucking with us till the end. Wherein there's still a possibility it might happen.

Warning: hatin' abounds in this comment

Date: 2011-03-31 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Ah, yes. I'd heard about the kiss.

I'm such a hater at this point that I can't find it within myself to get excited/hopeful about it. I haven't even read the scene. Last book I at least read the scenes that people said were decent, but I can't even bring myself to do that with Pale Demon (even though I'm hearing its much better than the last few books). I honestly fear my [Mary J. Blige]hateration[/MJB] might be too far along to ever really forgive K.H. for what she's done to the series.

Like you I get the impression that Harrison is just fucking with us till the end. I feel like I've been doing this ...

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for 8 books, but unlike you at this point I have almost no hope that Rachel and Ivy's HEA's will involve them getting together as a couple. I get the impression that at the end of the last book, Ravy fans will feel like Burt.

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Edited Date: 2011-03-31 02:28 am (UTC)

Re: Warning: hatin' abounds in this comment

Date: 2011-03-31 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaina47.livejournal.com
Fair enough. Pale Demon was way better...whether it's awesome enough to overcome all the chain-yanking Harrison has done, even I'm not sure. But it did make me a little hopeful that maybe, just maybe, she wouldn't totally fuck her Ravy fans over in the end.

I guess what I'm saying is that for the first time in a couple of books, I actually saw a possibility of where she could be going if she doesn't chicken out again some more.

Re: Warning: hatin' abounds in this comment

Date: 2011-03-31 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I apologize in advance for any Debbie Downer-ing in this comment ... I speak from heartache not from a desire to sound like a contrary bitch ;)

I think I need to wait to see what people's thoughts on the next book are before I will be able to read this one. I'm like a spurned lover right now, who can't hear my douche-bag ex's name without wanting to throw things before I break down in tears. It's too fresh.

I tried to start reading Pale Demon, and intellectually I could tell it was alright, but it was like my brain was trying to protect my fragile heart by remaining aloof from the text, and I found that I couldn't get into it.

I guess what I'm saying is that for the first time in a couple of books, I actually saw a possibility of where she could be going if she doesn't chicken out again some more.

It is encouraging to hear that things are looking up again.

How much Ivy was there in this book?

I've got the idea in my head that Kim is not nearly as interested in Ivy as a character as she was at the beginning of the series, and this makes me worry that if Kim's girl!crush on Ivy has worn off that bodes poorly for a Ravy ending.

Re: Warning: hatin' abounds in this comment

Date: 2011-03-31 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaina47.livejournal.com
No, I get that. Harrison has jerked her fans around enough that everyone's fingers feel at least a little singed. I assume she has het leaning fans (I mean, she has to right?) and I'd bet even they're not that thrilled with the dance she's been doing. She's making no one happy.

I'll say upfront that there was A LOT of Trent in this book. But. He was bearable for me because he was achieving and surpassing levels of stupid previously reserved only for Rachel. It was almost to the point where I was getting pissed 'cause "Trent is not this dumb!" And I don't even like Trent. But I like character assassination less, you know?

There was a decent bit of Ivy, not as Ivy-centric as some have been. But she does get to be snarky and awesome and herself a little more. She was reaching for independence, that awesome, broken woman. There was no Glenn mention though. I was a little curious about that and where that was going. I think she actually made awesome use of Ivy when she was in scenes compared to some other recent books where all Ivy does is stand there and look pretty, you know? Ivy is awesomer than that and she got to kick ass this book too.

Re: Warning: hatin' abounds in this comment

Date: 2011-03-31 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I assume she has het leaning fans (I mean, she has to right?) and I'd bet even they're not that thrilled with the dance she's been doing. She's making no one happy.

This is very true. There was a lot of frustration from the het fans after Pale Demon. The Ravy fans finally had others to join in with the bitching about being jerked around. By trying to appeal to everyone and appease everyone she's made NO ONE happy.

I tried to read the first few chapters of Pale Demon and I realized that it was going to be endless Trent. I've liked Trent in small doses (well, liked to hate on him), but I was kind of overwhelmed by the amount of Trent.

And I don't even like Trent. But I like character assassination less, you know?

*thinks about Skimmer ... nods* Yeah, I know.

There was a decent bit of Ivy, not as Ivy-centric as some have been. But she does get to be snarky and awesome and herself a little more.

Good to know. From what I read Ivy seemed to be in fine form, but I wasn't in the mindset to appreciate it. I honestly think I need to leave it for a while and read the book once I can think about the series without immediately getting irritated (if that day happens, which I honestly hope it will). Knowing that Ivy gets to kick ass, and be independent and awesome will help speed up the process hopefully.

Re: Warning: hatin' abounds in this comment

Date: 2011-03-31 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] booasaur.livejournal.com
Heh...this reminds me of ST:Voyager and the various ships/fandoms there, the strongest being J/C and J/7 so of course the ending waaaas....C/7.
Nicely done.

I get your wariness, though, and since you're the one who turned me back to Hollows with your awesome fic (after I'd given it up before for being too like Anita Blake and Southern Vamp, without anything to redeem or separate it), I'll probably wait till the end and then see if I can go back.

Re: Warning: hatin' abounds in this comment

Date: 2011-03-31 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Oh, dear god. I'd almost managed to wipe the memory of C/7 from my mind. WTF was that shit? God, that was awful. Ugh.

I'll probably wait till the end and then see if I can go back.

That's the point I'm at now too. The thought of reading one of the books right now makes me nauseous. I tried to read the start of Pale Demon and couldn't do it. You were right to be weary, I'm sorry I dragged you back into the web of despair that the Hollows became.

Re: Warning: hatin' abounds in this comment

Date: 2011-03-31 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liberty-stewart.livejournal.com
Off topic since I never read the Kim Harrison series and probably for the better, but I absolutely love that Bert gif. He just cracks me up.

Re: Warning: hatin' abounds in this comment

Date: 2011-03-31 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
The Burt .gif is a keeper.

And you are wise to stay away from the Hollows. It will lure you in at first, charm you, wine and dine you, whisper sweet nothings in your ear, and then it will sleep with your best friend, max out your credit card and leave you wondering what the hell was wrong with you that you ever feel for its bullshit.

Yeah, I know ... haters stay pressed ;)

Re: Warning: hatin' abounds in this comment

Date: 2011-03-31 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liberty-stewart.livejournal.com
Both of us are familiar with the series Heroes, and if the buildup to eventual disappointment of the Hollows is anything like that show, then wise to star away indeed.

On the better side, there are two series that was recommended through your LJ that I do adore. In an honourable second place is Legend of the Seeker. While first place goes to the awesomeness that is the cartoon series Avatar.

Speaking of Avatar, I have a better idea how terrible is the M Night Shyamalan garbage. No I didn't watch it, but I did recently saw a new 25 min review of it with footage from the film. Which I think is the only possible way to actually sit through the film.

Both the actors and characters are terrible, but I would be lying if I said I didn't find some of it unintentionally funny. Then again it might have been the review. For example the element bending. It was so terrible. In the cartoons the elements actually correspond to the character's movements. In the movie, it looked like the characters had to do bad interpretative dance to activate the elements, then what happened after that would be random.

The movie made element bending look comical. I laugh every time I see that scene of the earth bender fight where one moment one guy could put up a rock wall with a single movement, then the next it takes six earth benders doing an over the top dance to move a tiny rock. It was even funnier when the review played that scene to the Jimi Hendrix song "Along the Watchtower".

Re: Warning: hatin' abounds in this comment

Date: 2011-04-01 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lostingeekdom.livejournal.com
I finally caught up with Pale Demon on my vacation. Ugh ... way too much Trent. Also, I don't like the pass he gets for his callousness on collateral damage, just because he is supposed to be pretty. He's not a bad guy anymore because he helped Rachel? At what cost? Oooh ... he's such a loving father .. let's not stop to think about all the kids who died when he released this episode's Big Bad. Either he doesn't have any kind of conscience, which makes him a fucking sociopath, or that's some serious lazy-ass writing.

Also, I got the impression that this was pretty much it Ravy, and it will be cock-blocking all the way. Plus, I think I read in some forum that Ivy was going to hook up with the chick from one of the short stories (I need to get my hands on those). If so, I'm all for it. Ivy deserves happiness, and Rachel is too fucking nuts for her.

Date: 2011-03-31 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stargate-sg1sg1.livejournal.com
She does wonderfully things to me :D

Also the idea of Maggie as Ivy...awesome.

Date: 2011-03-31 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I know, she is ridiculously good looking. In the thread where I got the pictures from someone wrote:

i am not lesbian. i am also super repulsed by people touching me/having sex. BUT i would go to the doctor just to get strong ass anti-anxiety medicine so i could hit it over and over again. THAT IS HOW HOT SHE IS OMG

Which I thought was just an A+ comment. No one can resist Maggie's hotness.

Also the idea of Maggie as Ivy...awesome.

Sadly, the idea of Ivy Q is the only thing that I now find awesome about the Hollows.

Date: 2011-03-31 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stargate-sg1sg1.livejournal.com
ONTD? I also agree that that is a grade A+ quality comment.

Oh no what has turned you away from the series? ( I have only read 1.5 books)

Date: 2011-03-31 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I find ONTD almost unbearably negative these days (I know that's rich coming from me in a post I made that's all about hatin'), but that comment was mint!

Oh no what has turned you away from the series? ( I have only read 1.5 books)

TBH the series sucking made me turn away. You are in the Golden Days of the series when everything was awesome and exciting and amazing and made you want to read more and more. Books 1-5 are wicked, and I devoured them. Things start to go downhill with Book 6 and books 7 and 8 were pretty dire. Apparently the new books is good again, but books 7 & 8 enraged me/disappointed me so much that I haven't been able to read the rest of book 8 or book 9

My advice read up to book 5, then just wait and see so that if the series continues to be a hot, disappointing mess you can remember it for how it was. At this point I almost can't remember thinking about the series and genuinely being excited about it.

Date: 2011-03-31 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seriousfic.livejournal.com
To be fair, Nikita is just as crazy-prepared and protective as Ivy, only Alex is far less straight (or, ya know, "straight"), is rarely a dumbass, when she is a dumbass it can be chalked up to youthful inexperience, etc etc. It's like The Hollows is a badly-written vampire AU of Nikita that somehow got sent back in time...

Date: 2011-03-31 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
LOL! So true.

Nikita really is just Ivy without fangs. And Alex is like the character Rachel Morgan THINKS she is. Which is to say smart, capable, heroic, talented and loyal.

It's like The Hollows is a badly-written vampire AU of Nikita that somehow got sent back in time...

*sigh* It really is like a badly written AU, which makes me so sad because I remember when it was entertaining and movingly written.

Oh well, the Hollows sucks now but it's almost time for new Nikita!

Date: 2011-03-31 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seriousfic.livejournal.com
Someone needs to write a RL vampire AU of Nikita, where Nikita rescues Alex from some vampires and protects her and eventually Alex offers Nikita her blood and Amanda is the HBIC vampire queen who sired Nikita.

Date: 2011-03-31 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angela627.livejournal.com
I'm so over the vampire craze at the moment, but omg, that sounds amazing, comon ficcers, make this happen please?

Date: 2011-03-31 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Image

That AU sounds amazing!

*stares pointedly*

You know you want to!
Edited Date: 2011-03-31 03:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-04-01 05:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tempus-viator.livejournal.com
Actually speaking of vampires...Maggie Q is on the big screen in the movie Priest ... except as a warrior priestess.

Date: 2011-03-31 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angela627.livejournal.com
dude...the bat photo. it's like both scary and hot at the same time.

And please tell me you know of the oh so adorable photo Lyndsy tweeted of her and Maggie on set Monday morning.

Date: 2011-03-31 10:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
yeah,, the bat pic confuses my body. It's like ... shudder ... shiver ... shudder ... shiver. In the end the shivering response won out though!

and OMG I have not seen this pic (or at least a large version of it now that I've looked at your icon, lol). Do you perhaps have a link?

Date: 2011-03-31 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angela627.livejournal.com
sure do!
http://twitter.com/LyndsyMFonseca/status/52412959200264192

the photo goes bigger if you click on it. I think the fandom just about combusted on Monday morning when Lyndsy tweeted this. The smiles on both of them (esp Lynd's giant grin), eee!

Date: 2011-03-31 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Aww, such a sweet picture! I love that Maggie looks a little smug, like "Yeah, I'm snuggled up to this fine piece of ass. Jelus? Of course you are." And Lyndsy just looks so happy to have her body in contact with Maggie's body.

I also love that they have sweet hangouts and like watch Valley of the Dolls together and stuff.

Even though it has no bearing on what's on-screen really, I love that this cast loves each other so much. It's very cute.

Date: 2011-03-31 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angela627.livejournal.com
Maggie looks sly like she's coping a feel on Lyndsy's ass and Lyndsy's giddy like she likes it.

Did they actually watch Valley of the Dolls together? I must have been the only person to read that tweet as Lyndsy watched it and then had to get up early to work with Maggie on set. Clearly my interpretation is not the better one.

This cast does seem to adore each other, it's all very adorable.

Date: 2011-03-31 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rightclick5ave.livejournal.com
OH GOD HOW IS SHE SO HOT.

Date: 2011-03-31 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I don't know, but thank god that she is.

Hot, and funny and sweet!

Maggie Q is a perfect trinity of hotness!

Date: 2011-03-31 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trancer21.livejournal.com
I still find it interesting that of all the urban fantasy books picked up for tv shows/movies, Harrison's books still remain untouched. Because, as much as I've become disinterested in the books, I'd still like to see them onscreen.

Like, ever since you suggested Maggie Q as Ivy I can't see *anyone* else in the role. And then I think about Bridget Regan as Rachel.. hopefully rewritten enough so she's not so dumb and it's like I've found my Hollows Happy Place!

Date: 2011-03-31 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Honestly, I'm surprised I've never heard talk about it either. It's got a good premise, and the vampires/witches/demons thing is really hot right now. Plus, the way its set up makes it really easy for a serialized show. They could have an over-all season arc while still having case-of-the-week episodes. The premise is really good for a TV show.

Despite how much I've come to hate the books, I'd be really happy about a tv show being made, because I think that in the right hands the show could fix/avoid what I've come to hate about the books.

Kind of like how I hate Terry Goodkinds "Sword of Truth" books, but I LOVED Legend of the Seeker. I think that a Hollows show could cut out the stupid bits of the books and expand on the awesome parts of it. Plus, they couldn't possibly make Rachel stupider or more annoying so there's only one direction to go, up.

Bridget Regan is my head!Rachel, and she'd be great on a TV show version because she's so incredibly likable and sympathetic. I feel like she could make my feel for Rachel and her stupid plights in a way Harrison hasn't been able to make me for a LONG time.

The only downside would be that Maggie Q wouldn't be able to play Ivy because of Nikita (which I would find a way to deal with because I love Nikita). I wouldn't even mind Ivy Q looking like a midget next to Bridget Regan's Rachel.

*sigh* Why is it that everything that excites me about the Hollows-verse (a TV show, Ravy) will never happen?

Date: 2011-03-31 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sav8801.livejournal.com
OoOoOoO Pretty...

Sorry, my IQ fell in the single digits for a second there due to the pretty. Oh yeah, this is my mental Ivy down to a T... or a Q in that case. It almost makes me wish I had time to drag through the rest of PD right now...

So pretty... But the one with the bat is weird. She looks like some murderous doll or something, like the gorgeous love child of Barbie and Chucky. Is that just me?

Date: 2011-03-31 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
Sorry, my IQ fell in the single digits for a second there due to the pretty.

Maggie has that effect on people, lol!

It almost makes me wish I had time to drag through the rest of PD right now...

I look forward to your review once you manage to finish it. I'm still at the point where just the idea of reading it exhausts me.

She looks like some murderous doll or something, like the gorgeous love child of Barbie and Chucky.

It's definitely a strangely arousing picture. I'd like to think of it as a shoutout to the Nikita episode "Echoes" where Nikita used a bat to subdue Nathan.

Date: 2011-03-31 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherlock-nomes.livejournal.com
WHY IS IT NOT APRIL 7th YET??? I NEED NIKITA BACK IN MY LIFE!!!

I concur! March has gone by ridiculously long without Nikita and Alex to spice up each week. Wtf CW?

Date: 2011-03-31 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fembuck.livejournal.com
I know, it feels like it's been FOREVER since there was a new episode. I am counting down.

I don't know how I'm going to make it through the wait between seasons.

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